Topic: Cooking Lessons with Az

[ELW]

if your "secret" means that much then you can keep it....
in fact ...I'll tell you exactly where the "secret" goes......it is inserted through the anus
in other words... "stick it right up yer arse "
cheers

If the group that went to Zaal didn't tell what they know on cr0(they didn't have to), their credibility would zip afterwards. It is fairly easy to quiz them for B.S. B.S doesn't come across in the demeanor of any of the 5 imo. It's fair that there should be a degree of p**s taking for a bit
ELW

[George]

It is fairly easy to quiz them for B.S.

I'm not so sure. When I asked a fairly straight forward question earlier in this thread it prompted a very tetchy, off-topic and personally insulting response from CurryHell.  I'm sorry that the thread then went into argument mode but it wasn't my fault.

[ELW]

Tonight I made a lamb madras with special attention paid to the frying of the spices to get that characteristic "grab at the back of your throat and make you splutter" aroma before the base sauce was added.  Result?  About twice as nice as any madras I've cooked before!  Really, I'm delighted.

But I also started to ponder this question of why, if this is an important fundamental component of the "correct" flavour has this been so under reported?  My conclusion has to be that it *isn't* essential - it can't be or the very many first hand reports and videos we've had from BIR kitchens would have been shouting about it.  In fact it's easy to find examples where experienced chefs clearly do not singe their spices, this is the first one I looked for on youtube with Dipu apparently adding his spices to a cold pan and not leaving them there long enough to singe before the base sauce is added:

How to make lamb madras

So maybe this isn't the panacea that we assume, although my early results suggest it really does work for me.  It would be great to get some input on this point from more BIR chefs, maybe Abdul has a view?

Hi nj, I realise I'm preaching to the converted, but this is exactly why I'm stating the Zaal visit as is a significant bir@home reset on cr0 & anywhere else .I'm putting Dip in the bag with kd,kushi,B.E, Abdul, (Amateurs aside), for failing to relay to the what creates a

[mr.mojorisin]

ELW..was only having a laff at the "secret"
being personally affiliated to the Royal Arch Chapter myself, then I think their "secret"willl be still be safe
anyway, I feel the "fleet5" have done a great service to CR0 with their vids/posts of how a "chef" cooks a curry.
also, hopefully Chewwy will get some justified recognition, as his videos show exactly the same techniques, it's just that we didn't recognise them for what they were at the time
Cheers

[chewytikka]

Hi JB
Yes Az's, Red Masala Paste has what I call "The Sweet paste" = i.e. Coconut, Almond and Sugar included.
This is great if your making plenty of CTM's.

But I find that unusual in my experience, because the Red Masala Sauce is the "souring" ingredients and is usually separate
(and is virtually a runny Tandoori marinade).

Just makes for more versatile cooking, i.e. there are lots of dishes that a Chef will use a splash of
Red Masala Sauce in, but he won't want the Coconut, Almond and Sugar in it as well.

Like any Jhal Dishes, for instance i.e. Jhal Frezi, or Jhal Zool, there's no sweet paste ingredients in these. but there might be in Az's Restaurant
nothing wrong in that, his customers might love it.

My Jhal mix and Red Masala sauce are virtually the same
http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=5699.msg56567#msg56567

Here's an old clip of the 2 paste and sauce being combined to make a CTM
http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=5988.msg59309#msg59309
http://www.southtyneside.com/sizzler/ctm.html

I still think AZ will have a Red Masala Sauce lurking about.

cheers Chewy, Who's Singe-ed there nostril hair then.

[ELW]

It is fairly easy to quiz them for B.S.

I'm not so sure. When I asked a fairly straight forward question earlier in this thread it prompted a very tetchy, off-topic and personally insulting response from CurryHell.  I'm sorry that the thread then went into argument mode but it wasn't my fault.

I prefer opinion over backslapping all day long George, but i can't think of anything negative about the Zaal vids. Unstaged & unscripted is a rare form of media these days

[ELW]

Hi JB
Yes Az's, Red Masala Paste has what I call "The Sweet paste" = i.e. Coconut, Almond and Sugar included.
This is great if your making plenty of CTM's.

But I find that unusual in my experience, because the Red Masala Sauce is the "souring" ingredients and is usually separate
(and is virtually a runny Tandoori marinade).

Just makes for more versatile cooking, i.e. there are lots of dishes that a Chef will use a splash of
Red Masala Sauce in, but he won't want the Coconut, Almond and Sugar in it as well.

Like any Jhal Dishes, for instance i.e. Jhal Frezi, or Jhal Zool, there's no sweet paste ingredients in these. but there might be in Az's Restaurant
nothing wrong in that, his customers might love it.

My Jhal mix and Red Masala sauce are virtually the same
http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=5699.msg56567#msg56567

Here's an old clip of the 2 paste and sauce being combined to make a CTM
http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=5988.msg59309#msg59309
http://www.southtyneside.com/sizzler/ctm.html

I still think AZ will have a Red Masala Sauce lurking about.

cheers Chewy, Who's Singe-ed there nostril hair then.

This is the sort knowledge & opinion that may be being wasted on me & many others at this stage Chewytikka. You should redo some of your vids &tuts , focussing on initial technique, its a glaring omission in bir@home
Regards
ELW

[curryhell]

Oh, I'm glad the penny has finally dropped with my 'Singe the spices' term.
I suppose being shown in real life is better than watching a video or reading a post.

Think you've hit the nail on the head CT.  How often do we ignore what we're told until we experience it ourselves?  It's that old saying about "horses, water, drink, isn't it".  There's nothing like saying "i told you so".  But you didn't, you just let us work that out for ourselves.  Full marks, we should have listened but like most, you prefer to learn by your own mistakes.  Futile, i know, but that's how we humans operate.
Credit where it is due CT.

I will adopt the following thought, without question.  Lesson learned  ;D

Practice, Practice, Practice and have fun
cheers Chewy
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[curryhell]

if your "secret" means that much then you can keep it....
in fact ...I'll tell you exactly where the "secret" goes......it is inserted through the anus
in other words... "stick it right up yer arse "
cheers

Mate, I think the "secret" Curryhell is  talking about is the anonymity of the garlic chopper

Gary

100% correct, Gary and that individual's identity will remain known only to the 5 of us.  This is one thing we will not share

[curryhell]

Guys, if anybody feels that my responses are a little touchy and don't remain on topic and are personally insulting, feel free to address your questions to any of the other memebers of the Fleet 5.  Just make it obvious that you don't want me to reply.  That way it won't be my fault  : - bothered ;D