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Curry Chat => Lets Talk Curry => Topic started by: StoneCut on June 08, 2012, 01:37 PM
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Hi there everyone !
I've compiled a couple of primers, mostly based on information I got from this site. I'd be interested if any members are interested in either of these.
Here's a little list of stuff I've compiled into single documents:
Curry Recipes Online (cr0.co.uk) Master Collection 2012 (doesn't include ALL recipes from this site but the most popular ones as far as I could tell)
Abdul Mohed ? BIR Chef Curry Recipes (cr0.co.uk)
Ashoka At The Quay - Recipe Collection (cr0.co.uk) & Menus (recipes from Panpot)
Bruce Edwards - Curry House Cookery (Complete) - already uploaded to this forum
CA's (Cory Ander's) Recipes on cr0.co.uk
Curry Frenzy - Secrets of the Indian Restaurant Chefs Revealed (this is actually from elsewhere, but I've reformatted it to be more readable)
Dipuraja1's (Dips) - Curry Videos on Youtube & Recipes (A single PDF with all recipes to share plus tons of downloaded videos which I won't provide - grab them yourself with www.keepvid.com (http://www.keepvid.com))
I've made a couple more primers which i can't share since they are based on Mick's and Julian's books and I respect them wanting to keep their copyrights.
Let me know if you're interested in any of these or if you have any objections with me sharing them. Thanks !
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You've been very busy indeed! Loads of work involved there.
I'm not sure about the keepvid link, though. At 29.95USD for a licence, it seems rather a rather expensive way of capturing video content given that there are loads of free applications that do the same thing.
Might I suggest you look at using one of the many free add-ins available for Firefox?
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Maybe I am not following this correctly but I thought that if you just pasted the vid url in the keepvid page you could download for free and the licence is optional.
Well, that's what I've been managing to do anyway?
Are you suggesting that you would upload these to the site Stonecut or you would be prepared if permitted to PM them out?
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You've been very busy indeed! Loads of work involved there.
I'm not sure about the keepvid link, though. At 29.95USD for a licence, it seems rather a rather expensive way of capturing video content given that there are loads of free applications that do the same thing.
Might I suggest you look at using one of the many free add-ins available for Firefox?
Use the website, it's free. Just enter the link in the box. Don't install their program.
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What I was trying to say is that anyone can grab the videos by themselves Using the Keepvid site but if people really can't figure out how to use KeepVid then, yes, I could supply them with links. ONLY to content which is publically available, however.
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Use the website, it's free. Just enter the link in the box. Don't install their program.
Apologies for the confusion. I didn't notice that you could use a free download facility, only the cost of the licence to use the program.
I blame my Scottish genes - we're not parsimonious, just careful, ye ken! ;D
It's still some feat to compile and reformat all this info, though. Good effort!
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This sounds very interesting SC and a good way to keep them in one handy place - are they downloadable and if so form where?
Steve
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Which are you looking for ? I'll post the link(s). I didn't put the links in the first post as I don't know how long the links will last, might be only days might be months before I start reorganizing my Dropbox and the links will die then.
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Abdul Mohed - BIR Chef Curry recipes (from this site): http://db.tt/le1yuJKu (http://db.tt/le1yuJKu)
Ashoka At The Quay - Recipe Collection (from this site): http://db.tt/BqWMx3VM (http://db.tt/BqWMx3VM)
Bruce Edwards - Curry House Cookery (Complete incl. Updates): http://db.tt/1E6d43gu (http://db.tt/1E6d43gu)
Cory Ander's recipes on cr0.co.uk: http://db.tt/ev67a7x2 (http://db.tt/ev67a7x2)
Curry Frenzy - Secrets of the Indian Restaurant Chefs Revealed: http://db.tt/fbWAiyOn (http://db.tt/fbWAiyOn)
Curry Recipes Online (cr0.co.uk) Master Collection 2012: http://db.tt/X211aCWS (http://db.tt/X211aCWS)
Dipuraja's recipes from YouTube - PDF (the more detailed recipes are from this site): http://db.tt/NHpf6yIe (http://db.tt/NHpf6yIe)
Do you also want the Dipuraja video downloads ?
Please note:
None of this content is mine. I lifted most if it from this forum word-for-word. It got a bit tiresome to include sources everytime, so if you might find YOUR words in the docs without credit then please forgive me. I did these docs for myself and figured that other members of this forum might benefit from them so be easy ;)
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excellent work-nice to have main recipes in one folder on my hard drive
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Thanks :)
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SC that is awesome!!!
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Cheers SC very handy.
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I would say that is a job very well done!
best, Rich
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Hi SC,
I, too, commend you on doing a great job of compiling these recipes into a number of discrete documents. However, I do have some concerns and wish to make a couple of points (which I've had occasion to make several times before in similar situations):
ALL recipes and images (including those posted on this forum) are subject to intellectual property rights and copyright (copyright is automatically assigned to the author). The original author owns that copyright and the recipes and images may not be reproduced or disseminated without their express permission. I do not want to get into an anally retentive argument (or semantics) about this but, suffice to say, it IS the case.
I cannot speak for others, but I post recipes on this forum for sole use by our forums' members only. I DO NOT permit anyone to copy my recipes and disseminate them by any other means (without my express permission).
However, (if I understand you correctly?) it may be that you have simply compiled these recipes for your own personal use and wish to make them available to this forums' members only? If so, I have no objection to that, but I am still uncomfortable with them being made available for download from elsewhere. Therefore, I suggest that you contact Admin to get him to make them available for download directly from this forum (e.g. from this forums download section here: http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?board=5.0 (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?board=5.0)).
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ALL content is ONLY posted to this forum (feel free to search the web). I would upload it directly to this forum instead of using MY OWN hosting, however this forum doesn't allow anymore uploads (check my Bruce Edwards post). It is not and will not be available elsewhere.
Regardless, I continue to respect your wishes (whatever bad intentions you imply) and will therefore remove the doc with your recipes and any other removal requests. I'm not very happy about it (mostly due to to you implying I post the content elsewhere which really makes me mad) but it'll be done as soon as I get on my laptop.
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The CA document is now removed and won't be made available again, so please no PMs about it.
@Cory: As an (audio) content publisher (read: failed musician) I certainly understand your copyright concerns regarding intellectual property and piracy. However, there is such a thing as fair use. In my 15 years on the web I learned one thing: what content is here today may very well be gone tomorrow. I moderated a software forum for a couple of years and wrote about 800 extensive HOW-TOs with screenshots and whatnot. Then the provider - from one day to the next - simply folded. Website and forum gone - gone. Backups ? gone. We tried to salvage stuff off www.archive.org (http://www.archive.org) but we were so concerned with people stealing our content that our robots.txt had explicitly disabled spidering the website :/
Anyway, just take my best intentions as granted but I think I'll rather refrain from posting any more of this type of content in the future and woud rather not discuss it further either.
Any other link may break soon, so get it while it's hot ;)
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Stone Cut,
You messaged me with the above response and I messaged you with my reply as follows:
Stone Cut,
ALL content is ONLY posted to this forum (feel free to search the web)
But it's not, Stone Cut, is it? It is posted (and downloadable from) elsewhere (i.e. YOUR OWN HOSTING!)
this forum doesn't allow anymore uploads (check my Bruce Edwards post)
Yes, I understand this to be the case. And that is why I suggested that you contact Admin to sort it out
Regardless, I continue to respect your wishes
I appreciate that Stone Cut
whatever bad intentions you imply
Actually Stone Cut, I went to great lengths NOT to imply that you had bad intentions! Frankly, I don't know you from Adam and have absolutely NO idea what you intend.
and will therefore remove the doc with your recipes and any other removal requests
Thank you, once again. Alternatively, discuss getting it put on this forum with Stew (Admin) as I suggested.
I'm not very happy about it (mostly due to to you implying I post the content elsewhere which really makes me mad)
Well, I'm awfully sorry about that. But, had you bothered to discuss it with me and Admin, beforehand (which would have been polite), I might have been more receptive to it. But I would probably have suggested the same thing.
Have you spoken to Stew? I suggest that you do.
I suggest we communicate by personal message if we need to discuss this further.
Thanks.
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Cory, I edited my post above. I'd rather not discuss this further.
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All content now offline in order to prevent more issues with other people who I also respect.
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Oh no! I'm gutted I've missed the chance to get these files which have now been removed :'(
Can anyone who has the info and is willing to send it to me please pm me? Cory has said expressly above he does not object to it being shared among forum members as long as not hosted elsewhere.
This is like being shown the Christmas presents under the tree then finding out they've been taken away before you could open them...
Edit: stonecut I realise you are upset but could you not consider hosting the files in a way in which the info is only accessible to members (eg password, etc). Everything you've said about the value of having offline backups of forum content rings true to me.
Edit2: thanks to the guys who PMd me. I now have the files. Thanks to stonecut for your valuable efforts.
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Yeah I could see this coming. It would be great if Admin would allow the compilations to be hosted here at cr0.
I only managed to download the BE stuff, sniff! Thanks for your efforts Stone Cut.
Paul
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So if StoneCut can do this for us, anyone who becomes a member can
do the same (with the know how) but post it anywhere, other sites etc
I think Stonecut has highlighted a problem, thank you for you
good intentions StoneCut.
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I think Stonecut has highlighted a problem, thank you for you
good intentions StoneCut.
Great intentions & effort StoneCut. Recipe's are 10 a penny on cr0 & other forums & can be neither here nor there without the posting of thoughts & results & experience of enthusiastic amateurs & people with hands on experience, which follow the recipe(commentary ::)). For anyone who has told what they know on an internet forum, the horse has already bolted. Along with the DFS sofa sale, the internet & it's content is forever. Collating that stuff into docs was as useful as the content itself . What a pity :(
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From CA
ALL recipes and images (including those posted on this forum) are subject to intellectual property rights and copyright (copyright is automatically assigned to the author). The original author owns that copyright and the recipes and images may not be reproduced or disseminated without their express permission. I do not want to get into an anally retentive argument (or semantics) about this but, suffice to say, it IS the case
Forum Rules
7. You will not reproduce or disseminate any material found on this Forum, on any other Forum, or on any other media (except for personal use), without the written permission of the Owner of this Forum
14. All posts on the forum shall become the sole property of CR0.co.uk and by posting on the forum any Intellectual Property created, herein called 'IPR' (Background and Foreground) shall be transfered to CR0.co.uk.
Which I take to mean that Admin are the owners of every recipe on here, so permission from any member is not necessary, (but polite to ask) nor is it copyright to the originator of the recipe
Anyway that's the way I read it. Just my 2 pennys worth.
Les
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Good try StoneCut, and Thank's for all the effort
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Sod it. I missed the entire shooting match and the opportunity to make life a little easier and more organised. Thanks to stonecut for at least trying to share the efforts of his labours with the rest of the forum members. Burocracy triumphs again.
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Sod it. I missed the entire shooting match and the opportunity to make life a little easier and more organised. Thanks to stonecut for at least trying to share the efforts of his labours with the rest of the forum members. Burocracy triumphs again.
Unfortunately CH It only takes one to spoil it for everyone else, But hey! thats life.
Les
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Unfortunately CH It only takes one to spoil it for everyone else, But hey! thats life.
Les
More's the pity but I have to agree with you Les.
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Dont forget, CA had already offered to collate his own recipes into one document and was possibly in the middle of doing so.
I know i'd be p***ed off if i had been halfway through compiling a large document. In fact, CA seemed quite reasonable to me and it was Stonecut who took the hump.
Frank. ;)
Hi All,
No offence, to anyone, at all,....
....BUT!.....would anyone be interested in having a FREE "e-book" available for download from this forum?
If so, I would be more than happy to compile (or, at the very least, contribute to) one. Maybe others would also feel so inclined?
OK, some may feel that it (i.e. my) contribution would not be as valuable as others', BUT I am happy (and I am inclined) to make one available (to the best of my ability, knowledge and efforts), for FREE, on this forum.
After all, surely this forum is all about FREE contributions towards replicating British Indian Restaurant curries at home?
Opinions please?
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Dont forget, CA had already offered to collate his own recipes into one document and was possibly in the middle of doing so.
I know i'd be p***ed off if i had been halfway through compiling a large document. In fact, CA seemed quite reasonable to me and it was Stonecut who took the hump.
Frank. ;)
Hi All,
No offence, to anyone, at all,....
....BUT!.....would anyone be interested in having a FREE "e-book" available for download from this forum?
If so, I would be more than happy to compile (or, at the very least, contribute to) one. Maybe others would also feel so inclined?
OK, some may feel that it (i.e. my) contribution would not be as valuable as others', BUT I am happy (and I am inclined) to make one available (to the best of my ability, knowledge and efforts), for FREE, on this forum.
After all, surely this forum is all about FREE contributions towards replicating British Indian Restaurant curries at home?
Opinions please?
That was a couple of months ago, with no confirmation it was going ahead. I was/am looking forward to it if it is. If it was underway I can see CA's point in not being consulted first.I'm sure the Ashoka manager gave the op permission to publish what he did on here as long as Ashoka were credited with that specific content, credited not copyright..which they were. If someone were credited for something they always intended to publish free of charge, I'm not sure why they wouldn't want as many people as possible to see it, by whatever means. It may be an idea to post material you feel belongs to you in some way elsewhere first...then cr0. Without the forum members FAQs, it's just another bunch of recipe's
Regards
ELW
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From ELW
If someone were credited for something they always intended to publish free of charge, I'm not sure why they wouldn't want as many people as possible to see it, by whatever means. It may be an idea to post material you feel belongs to you in some way elsewhere first..
My own view is that if your recipes are that important to you..................Don't post them at all
Les
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My own view is that if your recipes are that important to you..................Don't post them at all
Ain't that the truth! But what a poor, selfish, sad, attitude.
Frankly, guys, most of the views expressed on this thread stink. They show a total disregard for the time and effort that some of our members put in to providing recipes (and other content) for the benefit of other members of this forum. They show a total disregard for the intellectual property ownership of that content by its author (its copyright...get over it!).
I expect this forums Admin to protect that copyright on behalf of the authors and the forum. Failing that, I will (for my content).
Another option, which I am willing to consider, is to have Admin remove all of my content from the forum.
To condone, and attempt to justify, anyone "stealing" recipes and other content (which is what it amounts to; you and I have absolutely no idea what another person really intends to do with it!) is reprehensible.
I have pointed out a perfectly sensible and reasonable compromise. There are right ways and there are wrong ways of doing it. It seems that some people are far too dense and/or ignorant to see it.
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Please, Admin, close this thread. Cory is right with most things and I regret ever posting the docs (I'm sure tons of other members made similar stuff anyway). For what it's worth I failed to follow rule #7 ... We'll just forget about rule #14 ;)
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Well I understand your concerns CA as this has happened before with other members (I remember one of your photos of a curry ending up on a resteraunt menu in Thailand ;D), but I do think that SC did what he did with the best of intentions for the benefit of the members of this forum and should be cut some slack here. It is not as though he hid it.
SC probably never knew it would cause offence, but maybe as has been previously stated it has highlighted a problem. I have on my computer a CA folder, a Chewytikka folder, a Dip's folder, a 976 folder etc, so anyone can join and do the same and post anywhere they wish, which would be nigh on impossible to police.
Like I said, done with the best of intentions (I think) as SC was upfront about it.
Will
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@Willyheckerslike ... I agree with your sentiments completely.
@CA .. please do not remove your content from this forum .. I realise you're understandably feeling cheesed off at the moment but a huge amount of people ( myself included ) rely very heavily on your expertise and experience with regards to BIR cooking. I wouldn't be able to produce anything vaguely resembling BIR without your help and kindness in posting your recipes so please , please leave it here for people like me to access and as when.
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Another option, which I am willing to consider, is to have Admin remove all of my content from the forum.
It's your call CA, Do with them as you wish. :D
Les
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Another option, which I am willing to consider, is to have Admin remove all of my content from the forum.
It's your call CA, Do with them as you wish. :D
Les
It's an interesting point. If the terms and conditions which you reminded us of are correct, none of CA's recipes still belong to him, as rights were transferred to this forum. So Admin could give the go-ahead to StoneCut to re-publish them, for example, but deny it to CA! So it's not CA's call at all, really. It follows that CA is almost irrelevant in this context, leaving aside any aspect of common decency for a moment.
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Seriously, people, please leave CA alone. He is absolutely right with most of the things he says and it's (in retrospective) no wonder he got so worked up about it. He has all the right to be upset.
Please do mind the following:
- Cory Ander is a much more valuable member of this forum than I am - if anyone needs to leave then it's me. Please stop asking for trouble by telling him to go ahead and delete his content.
- All problemativ documents are now offline - noone that didn't grab them in their 24 hour availability window will be able to get them now. The saga is over, so to say ...
- CA certainly retains the copyright on his words and images; no matter what the rules to this forum say - at least here in Germany and I would suspect the same for the UK (the forum rules are written from a US standpoint, which doesn't apply to Europe for the most part). However, you cannot copyright a recipe. Simply not possible. But that's an entirely different subject and not one that I'm to discuss.
- I'd appreciate if those members who asked me breach copyrights by enquiring I send them stuff which I already said I wouldn't, would not participate in this discussion. That's a really fake thing to do ... I believe in Japan they call that Two-Faced.
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- Cory Ander is a much more valuable member of this forum than I am
Sorry to disagree StoneCut,
Each member is as important as the next, No exceptions.
Les
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Sorry to disagree StoneCut,
Each member is as important as the next, No exceptions.
I believe SC was being overly modest in order to diffuse the situation Les (which I very much appreciate SC). Perhaps that's something you could try yourself sometime? Or aren't trolls receptive to that? ::) ;)
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It's an interesting point. If the terms and conditions which you reminded us of are correct, none of CA's recipes still belong to him, as rights were transferred to this forum. So Admin could give the go-ahead to StoneCut to re-publish them, for example, but deny it to CA! So it's not CA's call at all, really. It follows that CA is almost irrelevant in this context, leaving aside any aspect of common decency for a moment.
Trust you to pour fuel onto the smouldering fire, George ::)
Check the date that Admin revised the Terms and Conditions (December 2010). Then check when I posted my recipes (mostly well before that). I originally revamped the bloody Terms and Conditions before that! If you want a copy of Terms and Conditions existant at that time I will gladly PM them to you!
Irrespectively, as SC says, it doesn't much matter what is written in the Terms and Conditions; it's what's upholdable in law.
And, as far as I understand it, recipes ARE protected by copyright. And that copyright is automatically assigned to the original author.
As I understand it, a list of ingredients is not necessarily copyright, but the recipe methodology, and images, certainly are.
But, as I said, I don't want to get into that debate, or the semantics about it (which, it seems, some members are singularly unable to accept).
And, as you rightly say, there is also the issue of common decency. And that's what mostly concerns me about this recent debate; the apparent lack of common decency!
If members feel that their contributions will be frivolously copied and posted elsewhere, the REAL downside to the forum is that the contributors will STOP posting.
As a footnote, I would like to say that my comments in my last post were general and not directed at anyone in particular (apart from my reference to the majority of views subsequently posted in this thread). I appreciate SC's good intent and only wish that other members would see the value in protecting the intellectual property of this forum and it's contributors.
As another footnote, I would like to acknowledge SC's sincere attempts to diffuse the situation. Much appreciated SC. :)
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Or aren't trolls receptive that that? ::) ;)
I just tell it as i see it, (As you do) Nothing more, And if you don't agree...Well what can i say.
Les
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Or aren't trolls receptive that that? ::) ;)
I just tell it as i see it, (As you do) Nothing more, And if you don't agree...Well what can i say.
Les
Nothing? Les? ::)
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Nothing? Les? ::)
OK ;) Happy cooking CA ;D
Les