Topic: BIR documents I compiled

[StoneCut]

Please, Admin, close this thread. Cory is right with most things and I regret ever posting the docs (I'm sure tons of other members made similar stuff anyway). For what it's worth I failed to follow rule #7 ... We'll just forget about rule #14

[Willyeckerslike]

  Well I understand your concerns CA as this has happened before with other members (I remember one of your photos of a curry ending up on a resteraunt menu in Thailand ;D), but I do think that SC did what he did with the best of intentions for the benefit of the members of this forum and should be cut some slack here.  It is not as though he hid it. 
  SC probably never knew it would cause offence, but maybe as has been previously stated it has highlighted a problem.  I have on my computer a CA folder, a Chewytikka folder, a Dip's folder, a 976 folder etc, so anyone can join and do the same and post anywhere they wish, which would be nigh on impossible to police.
  Like I said, done with the best of intentions (I think) as SC was upfront about it.

Will

[colin grigson]

@Willyheckerslike ... I agree with your sentiments completely.

@CA .. please do not remove your content from this forum .. I realise you're understandably feeling cheesed off at the moment but a huge amount of people ( myself included ) rely very heavily on your expertise and experience with regards to BIR cooking. I wouldn't be able to produce anything vaguely resembling BIR without your help and kindness in posting your recipes so please , please leave it here for people like me to access and as when.

[Les]

Another option, which I am willing to consider, is to have Admin remove all of my content from the forum. 

It's your call CA, Do with them as you wish.

Les

[George]

Another option, which I am willing to consider, is to have Admin remove all of my content from the forum. 

It's your call CA, Do with them as you wish.
Les

It's an interesting point. If the terms and conditions which you reminded us of are correct, none of CA's recipes still belong to him, as rights were transferred to this forum. So Admin could give the go-ahead to StoneCut to re-publish them, for example, but deny it to CA! So it's not CA's call at all, really. It follows that CA is almost irrelevant in this context, leaving aside any aspect of common decency for a moment.

[StoneCut]

Seriously, people, please leave CA alone. He is absolutely right with most of the things he says and it's (in retrospective) no wonder he got so worked up about it. He has all the right to be upset.

Please do mind the following:

• Cory Ander is a much more valuable member of this forum than I am - if anyone needs to leave then it's me. Please stop asking for trouble by telling him to go ahead and delete his content.
  
• All problemativ documents are now offline - noone that didn't grab them in their 24 hour availability window will be able to get them now. The saga is over, so to say ...
• CA certainly retains the copyright on his words and images; no matter what the rules to this forum say - at least here in Germany and I would suspect the same for the UK (the forum rules are written from a US standpoint, which doesn't apply to Europe for the most part). However, you cannot copyright a recipe. Simply not possible. But that's an entirely different subject and not one that I'm to discuss.
• I'd appreciate if those members who asked me breach copyrights by enquiring I send them stuff which I already said I wouldn't, would not participate in this discussion. That's a really fake thing to do ... I believe in Japan they call that Two-Faced.

[Les]

• Cory Ander is a much more valuable member of this forum than I am
  

Sorry to disagree StoneCut,
Each member is as important as the next, No exceptions.

Les

[Cory Ander]

Sorry to disagree StoneCut,
Each member is as important as the next, No exceptions.

I believe SC was being overly modest in order to diffuse the situation Les (which I very much appreciate SC).  Perhaps that's something you could try yourself sometime?  Or aren't trolls receptive to that?  : 

[Cory Ander]

It's an interesting point. If the terms and conditions which you reminded us of are correct, none of CA's recipes still belong to him, as rights were transferred to this forum. So Admin could give the go-ahead to StoneCut to re-publish them, for example, but deny it to CA! So it's not CA's call at all, really. It follows that CA is almost irrelevant in this context, leaving aside any aspect of common decency for a moment.

Trust you to pour fuel onto the smouldering fire, George  :

Check the date that Admin revised the Terms and Conditions (December 2010).  Then check when I posted my recipes (mostly well before that).  I originally revamped the bloody Terms and Conditions before that!  If you want a copy of Terms and Conditions existant at that time I will gladly PM them to you!

Irrespectively, as SC says, it doesn't much matter what is written in the Terms and Conditions; it's what's upholdable in law. 

And, as far as I understand it, recipes ARE protected by copyright.  And that copyright is automatically assigned to the original author. 

As I understand it, a list of ingredients is not necessarily copyright, but the recipe methodology, and images, certainly are. 

But, as I said, I don't want to get into that debate, or the semantics about it (which, it seems, some members are singularly unable to accept).

And, as you rightly say, there is also the issue of common decency.  And that's what mostly concerns me about this recent debate; the apparent lack of common decency!

If members feel that their contributions will be frivolously copied and posted elsewhere, the REAL downside to the forum is that the contributors will STOP posting.

As a footnote, I would like to say that my comments in my last post were general and not directed at anyone in particular (apart from my reference to the majority of views subsequently posted in this thread).  I appreciate SC's good intent and only wish that other members would see the value in protecting the intellectual property of this forum and it's contributors.

As another footnote, I would like to acknowledge SC's sincere attempts to diffuse the situation.  Much appreciated SC. 

[Les]

Or aren't trolls receptive that that?  : 

I just tell it as i see it, (As you do) Nothing more, And if you don't agree...Well what can i say.

Les