Topic: Non curry - What the **** is wrong with this country?

[solarsplace]

As a child, I remember talking with my Dad and discussing the future of the human race, and to cut a long story short, there will come a time when the human race will have to leave the planet to survive when our own star dies.

I remember thinking 'we must survive, the human race must survive'.

Then I read things like this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1378469/Vile-thugs-hurl-brick-year-old-girl-s-face-father-tells-stop-kicking-football-van.html?ITO=1490

It is stories like this that make me think that more and more of the human race is becoming puluted with sub-human-scum genes and it will eventually reach a point where the sub-human-scum has satuarated the non-sub-human-scum genes to this point of the perpetrator(s) of the crime above and the human race must die.

These filth bags should die, and now - only horribly painfully. There is no point for their existence on this planet.

Cheery though isnt it

[Peripatetic Phil]

What they did was wrong, and no-one in their right mind would seek to defend their actions in any way.  But, as is only too common with the tabloid press, the headline does not reflect the reality of the situation : it reads "Vile thugs hurl brick in four-year-old girl

[Malc.]

It's appalling!

I can't help but think that alot of this stems from the lack or power the Police seem to have these days. Youths don't seem to respect anything or anyone these days. Corporal Punishment and the return of common sense within our judicial systems would be good.

[Curry Barking Mad]

he might rather have called for them to go to prison for a very long time, with which we would all have agreed.

Yes send them to prison, that'll teach them :

[Peripatetic Phil]

Yes send them to prison, that'll teach them :

What is the alternative, Mick ?  We have abolished hard labour, public floggings, and various other nasties that are incompatible with a civilised society : that leaves two options -- prison, and/or a heavy fine.  For a crime such as the one we are discussing, prison seems the only option to me.

** Phil.

[Curry Barking Mad]

Yes send them to prison, that'll teach them :

What is the alternative, Mick ?  We have abolished hard labour, public floggings, and various other nasties that are incompatible with a civilised society : that leaves two options -- prison, and/or a heavy fine.  For a crime such as the one we are discussing, prison seems the only option to me.

** Phil.

Phil,
I honestly feel that our society is paying the price for being too soft on criminals.
We may well have done away with "nasties that are incompatible with a civilised society"
We send people to prison to deny them their liberty and then prisons do every thing to make it more comfortable.
Our society has seriously got it wrong when there are literally hundreds of charities and bodies to help prisoners and very few to help and support victims.
Prisoners are granted legal aid at the drop of a hat to fight for the most ridiculous of infringements to "their human rights".
You only have to look at the recidivism rate to know that prison is good for one thing...to stop the offender committing crimes on the street during the time he is locked up. Once out...reoffend.
Still it's reassuring to know how our tax pounds are spent, while little Johnny Rapist is spending a little time behind his door he is either watching his colour TV with Sky or playing on his Play Station while he waits for Landing Officer to unlock him so he can go to gym with its hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of equipment.

So for alternatives, for public disorder offences, low level violence etc what is wrong with a little public humiliation, stocks and all.
Serious crime should always warrant a custodial sentence but make it a punishment, do away with all the fluffy stuff that goes on. It should be a place where people do not want to go, rather than in most cases prison is nothing more than an occupational hazard.

That'll do for starters...
Mick

[Malc.]

You get my vote Mick, bread and water is too good for them! People give up their rights when they offend. If prison is just an 'Occupational Hazard' then there is nothing to deter the criminal from committing the crime. This country needs a severe kick up the backside.
 

[Peripatetic Phil]

Prison may be too soft : I don't know, because (thank God) I have never been incarcerated in one.  But as a non-offender, the prospect of prison would certainly be a deterrent to me, were I to consider an illegal act.  But as we all know, prisoners aren't a homogeneous population : there are some, surely, for whom the present regime is not too liberal, and equally there are others for whom it is far too comfortable and for whom a regime intended to punish rather than to merely control would certainly be appropriate.  But it is worth bearing in mind that some of the earlier punishments which we now think of as a mild joke (e.g., the stocks) were in fact an extremely painful experience : not only was the offender likely to have rocks, faeces, etc., thrown in his/her face, he/she was also confined in an agonising position causing unbearable pain in his/her back muscles [1] -- the stocks were no joke, and to suggest even in jest that they should be brought back to ignore their horrible reality.  Yes, let's make prison tough for those that deserve it, but let's not even think for one second of going back to the dark ages when physical torture was an everyday risk, even for those guilty of nothing more than soiling the future bride of the monarch of the day.

** Phil.

[1] I'm speaking of those that held both the ankles and the wrists; those that held the wrists and the neck were not quite as severe, but to be forced to maintain that position for any significant period of time must have caused considerable physical discomfort -- something that we tend to overlook these days.

[976bar]

Having been in the security industry for the past 30 years, I had the displeasure of project managing the installation of a ?1m security system to a category A prison back in the middle 90's.

One of the most annoying parts about this was that they had a choice of about 28 different menus each day because of all the different religions within it's walls. They had TV's, Duvets and pool tables.

But the most annoying part was that the government had just spent ?2M on a new Gymnasium for the inmates. The local schools which didn't even have half the facilities, were bought in by buses so they could use the prisons facilities which had been built for the inmates.......

The reason so many of them re-offend is that it's just better inside than out, they get all their meals, luxuries, and don't have to work..... and yet there are honest people on the outside that don't get anything.......

That's our system of today.......

[Curry Barking Mad]

As it happens, the stocks to which I refer are the neck/wrists type and I make no apology for not worrying about someone who mugs old people having some back pain.