Ok thanks guys, lots to go on especially in the base gravies and upmarket BIR's. I think i need to add some to a curry to see what the overall taste and effect is like. I use the deseeded tamarind fruit at the moment but have seen somewhere how to make a paste from it, think you boil it, strain it and reduce the strainings to a paste, i think. The reason i went for the fruit first is because i wanted to make the drink first as i never had an indian drink to compliment my curries and then go from there and find out its other applications. Someone said it affects the stomach, i read that it has laxitive properties to some degree and wondering if this is what you mean by affecting the stomach? I see tamarind mentioned everywhere but couldn't find a curry recipie for it. I understand most spices but this one always seemed a mystery to me, i will try in a sag aloo next and see how it changes the overall flavour, do i need to use the paste or can i throw the fruit in whole as i love the idea of using the fruit. One thing i noticed when making the drink is that the fruit does break down but not completly.