Topic: Hmm

[peterandjen]

What do you think of this..............
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12011868
:=)

[Peripatetic Phil]

I feel very sorry for the family of the little girl who died, but I do not understand why the report focuses on the fact that the man responsible for her death will not be deported.  Deportation is not a penalty for causing death by dangerous driving : the normal penalty would be a prison sentence.  The man's nationality and asylum status have nothing to do with the case : he caused death by dangerous driving (as well as committing a number of other offenses) and should be punished for that.

** Phil.

[Malc.]

I am disgusted!

[peterandjen]

Thats what i thought, he committed a despicable crime, then went out and reoffended with burglaries and such and the government just let him walk free.
Terrible.

[Malc.]

Phil, I appreciate your comments however, nowhere should it be allowed that an asylum seeker should be free to commit such crimes and be allowed to stay.

If I recall the news mentioned that he would not be deported as it would put his life in jeopardy. Perhaps we should have deported the little girl instead as allowing him asylum in this country put her life in jeopardy.

It's about time this government stopped pandering to the Liberal half of it and make good on the promise of a British Charter for such things. Europe is killing this country.

[Peripatetic Phil]

Phil, I appreciate your comments however, nowhere should it be allowed that an asylum seeker should be free to commit such crimes and be allowed to stay.

No, of course no asylum seeker should be free to commit such crimes, any more than any of us should be; it is an illegal act, and should be punished with the full severity of the law.  But I do not believe that that punishment should be based on the perpetrator's nationality, or his status w.r.t. an application for asylum, or on anything else that is not directly related to the case.

If I recall the news mentioned that he would not be deported as it would put his life in jeopardy. Perhaps we should have deported the little girl instead as allowing him asylum in this country put her life in jeopardy.

I understand  your emotional reaction, Axe; I hope that you can in turn understand my rational reaction.

It's about time this government stopped pandering to the Liberal half of it and make good on the promise of a British Charter for such things. Europe is killing this country.

If there really is a "Liberal half", then the Government cannot reasonably be accused of "pandering" to it, since by definition it is the voice of 50% of the population.  The Government may well be listening to it, as indeed they should, as well as listening to the Conservative half.

As to our relationship with Europe, I am very much pro-European; I believe that the European Union is one of the greatest peace-keeping advances that this world has ever known.  Can you really imagine Germany declaring war on England (or Poland, for that matter) today ?  Can you really imagine us declaring war on France ?  I cannot, and I am certainly proud (cf. the earlier conversation with Razor and TasteTester) to be a European, both by birth and by choice.

** Phil.

[PaulP]

I think the problem here is that the guy got married to a British citizen and fathered one or more children with her. Otherwise he would definitely have been deported.

I don't blame the problems this country faces on either the EU or immigration. I blame it more on a gradual (over decades) dumbing down of our society. We have foreign doctors because we can't produce enough of our own. Teachers can't teach and discipline has all but gone. We have given up trying to manufacture things and rely on service industries.

Like Phil I'm proud to be a European and proud when things work out like the giant Airbus. Pity about the British built exploding engines!

But a very sad story although the baby P story I found the most upsetting.

Paul

[Malc.]

Phil, it's not a case of being judged on his nationality, it's a case of being judged on the fact he was granted asylum and then abused that privilege. He should not be allowed to stay in this country, especially at the burden of the Tax payer.

[Peripatetic Phil]

Phil, it's not a case of being judged on his nationality, it's a case of being judged on the fact he was granted asylum and then abused that privilege. He should not be allowed to stay in this country, especially at the burden of the Tax payer.

I can see your point, Axe, although I am less concerned about the burden on the taxpayer than I am about the abuse of asylum.  But if his life would genuinely be at risk if he were returned home, then I think that it would be wrong to deport him, regardless of any crime committed here : we are (thank God) no longer a nation that practices capital punishment (modulo arson of H.M.'s Dockyards and treason, I think) so I do not believe that it would be right to effectively pass sentence of death by returning him to his place of birth, particularly as despite the heinous nature of his offence, he has not committed an crime for which capital punishment has ever been on the statute book.

But I respect your point of view, and hope that we can let others debate the point without ourselves taking over the thread.

** Phil.

[Curry Barking Mad]

But I respect your point of view, and hope that we can let others debate the point without ourselves taking over the thread.

** Phil.

Absolutely Phil, each to their own, agreed.
However, yours is way too 'fluffy' for me.