Les - as you're finding here, there is a group of people whose ideas and opinions are far removed from what most reasonable people would see as reality. You can't argue rationally with them, so I urge you not to try. How would I have anything in common with Madrasandy? A man who can't even put together two lines of text with half-decent sentence construction., Or GavIscon , who clams I'm a terrible cook when nobody from this forum has ever tasted any of my food. If he and the others regard CT's recipes as very good, then it confirms to me we're on a different planet.