Topic: Should i post anymore videos?

[Secret Santa]

I'm really surprised that there are 6 no votes (at the time of this post). I don't feel that I personally have much to learn from them as they appear to be absolutely standard in what they are showing, but I think they are invaluable for newbies to the BIR scene. And if they show the cooking of an unusual curry it's nice to see what goes into it.

As long as they don't instigate a flood of 'ohhh, I can't wait for the book' type responses I only see benefits (for some).

[goncalo]

I respect your opinion curryking, I know you are new to this site, but I have occasionally stumbled on the various youtube comments that you have left in various curry related videos, as it does seem you have a genuine interest for curry cooking. However, you also seem to be relatively new to this community, in which case, it's a bit harsh to be calling a long-time member as SS a troll, simply because he is more 'vocal' about the h4c's dodgy marketing ways. I for one dislike chris tactics and as a community of people roaming in the same direction, we should try not to support people trying to monetize on top of our desires and needs. It's just a shame that with all the shrink-wrap around it, it sounds more like snake oil pitch.

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I'm sorry goncalo and to SS and yes you are right I didn't mean any offence and I appologise for any harm caused however i did join this forum 7 months before yourself, I just thought that SS was being a little bit too cynical and harsh.  i understand that some people may look at Chris' book as a money making cash in from other peoples ideas but I'm willing to take him for his word.  Call me naive but maybe he has something in his book that everyone can learn from?  I am new in the community but i'm not new to Indian cooking as I've pointed out in my previous posts.  I know alot about BIR and have over 4 years experience but I particularly specialise in real Indian food as many of my family are from India.

fair enough curryking and I didn't know you were a forum member longer than me. I assumed you were one of the recent joiners because of your recent introduction. Regardless, you are clearly more experienced than I am, as I only started cooking curries in late last year, right after joining the forum.

I do agree with you that even if the book doesn't offer the exact thing we are all looking for and that chris claims it to be offering, that there is a higher chance of it offering something new that most can learn from. However, I'm not sure how his recent video that he claims is a proof, can serve as a proof to any of us for obvious reasons. That was the sole reason why the bickering erupted and I apologize for pissing off a number of the people who contribute to this forum and that I respect.

[Curryking32000]

fair enough curryking and I didn't know you were a forum member longer than me. I assumed you were one of the recent joiners because of your recent introduction. Regardless, you are clearly more experienced than I am, as I only started cooking curries in late last year, right after joining the forum.

I do agree with you that even if the book doesn't offer the exact thing we are all looking for and that chris claims it to be offering, that there is a higher chance of it offering something new that most can learn from. However, I'm not sure how his recent video that he claims is a proof, can serve as a proof to any of us for obvious reasons. That was the sole reason why the bickering erupted and I apologize for pissing off a number of the people who contribute to this forum and that I respect.
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Thats ok, i've only just become an active member.  I spent a number of months last year travelling India meeting family and friends in Chennai and Ponducherri and again for a month this year and only got back a month ago after travelling to Goa and then to Satara (where my relatives live), Pune, Mumbai, Jaipur and Udaipur in Rajhistan.  Yes i can understand why people are slightly narked about this book and the proof will be in the reading.  Myself, i'll probably wait to see the reviews before committing to a purchase.  I just think that he's taken the initiative to make some cash from something which he is passionate about and good luck to him. I just think its really unfare to rubbish it before anyone has even read it.  If people don't like the result of the review's they don't have to buy it.

[Secret Santa]

I apologize for pissing off a number of the people who contribute to this forum and that I respect.

I really don't feel you have anything to apologise for goncalo. There's a whole cadre of people on this forum who want to shut down any negativity, even the constructive kind. They want to turn the forum into a big curry group-hug. It sickens me frankly and goes against any notion of free speech. There are plenty of other forums that will pander to their liberal-lefty stance so why don't they avail themselves of those forums and leave this one with its major strength, i.e. that of minimal moderation.

[Peripatetic Phil]

any negativity, even the constructive kind

Can there be such a thing as "constructive negativity" ?  Discuss.
** Phil.

[Secret Santa]

Can there be such a thing as "constructive negativity" ?  Discuss.
** Phil.

Not heard of constructive criticism Phil? Or are you suggesting that criticism cannot be, or isn't implicitly, negative? And, as ever, we stray further from the plot - it's the nature of the beast.

[Peripatetic Phil]

Can there be such a thing as "constructive negativity" ?  Discuss.
** Phil.

Not heard of constructive criticism Phil? Or are you suggesting that criticism cannot be, or isn't implicitly, negative?

Yes, the latter.  Constructive criticism is always positive.  For example, "the photograph, while beautifully composed, lacks detail in the darker areas :  it could have been significantly improved had the photographer made better use of the HDR technology that he has clearly employed".  Compare this (which is positive) with the following :  "the photograph lacks detail in the darker areas and should therefore never have been shortlisted" (negative).  The photographer, reading the first, will appreciate that the reviewer has identified the strengths as well as the weaknesses of the image, and has also identified specific ways in which it could be improved; the same photographer, reading the latter, will simply see it as a dismissal of his work.  Our idea on this forum is (or should be) to encourage each member to give of his or her best.  Thus constructive criticism is what is needed, not destructive.

** Phil.

[Secret Santa]

Constructive criticism is always positive.  For example, "the photograph, while beautifully composed, lacks detail in the darker areas :  it could have been significantly improved had the photographer made better use of the HDR technology that he has clearly employed".  Compare this (which is positive)

See the bold Phil? That's implicit negativity - euphemistically wrapped up as 'constructive criticism'. Criticism is criticism.

I can't be bothered to discuss this to be honest Phil. Not that it isn't interesting, but even I draw the line at some things so far removed from curry.

[Peripatetic Phil]

Constructive criticism is always positive.  For example, "the photograph, while beautifully composed, lacks detail in the darker areas :  it could have been significantly improved had the photographer made better use of the HDR technology that he has clearly employed".  Compare this (which is positive)

See the bold Phil? That's implicit negativity - euphemistically wrapped up as 'constructive criticism'. Criticism is criticism.

No, absolute not :  it is not "negativity" at all but "constructive criticism"; they as different as chalk and cheese.  "I think the photo of your curry looks like dog's vomit" is pure negativity; "if I had been you, I would have tried to introduce additional warmth into the image so as to make it visually more attractive even if less real" is constructive criticism.  Do you see the difference, Santa ?

** Phil.

[RubyDoo]

I am purposely staying away now from the 'banter' that surrounds Chris and his supposed book. It is a waste of time and yes I have already openly documented my distaste at the way he has gone about things but ............

................. The reason for this post is to question - is this section not exactly the right place for anybody to rant and rave and argue until they are blue in the face? ( keeping it civil of course ). Keep all the borrocks in 'talk about anything other than curry' where it belongs. If you want to read it, fine. If not, then don't. Simple. 

I do not want to see the forum strangled by moderation, albeit I struggle to see why CA's expletives got to stay in and others have been modded out. The moderation however should ensure ( regularly ) that the aforementioned nonsense stays out of the proper curry related threads so that they remain informative and focused. This is not happening is it George? ( rhetorical ) and until it does threads will continue to get hijacked as they have been doing.

I am not voting. I don't care. If I want to watch his vids I will. If others want to watch them then let them and make their own minds up.

Back to cooking.