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Curry Chat => Talk About Anything Other Than Curry => Topic started by: sp on December 14, 2012, 11:43 PM
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I'd never registered on the "other forum" before, but this greeted me when I did:
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Shurely shome mishtake? ???
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I'd never registered on the "other forum" before, but this greeted me when I did:
They/he probably did you a favour. "Odd" is a word which comes to mind regarding that site and the nature of the message in your image fits with my perception.
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Hi SP,
Maybe your current IP address was previously assigned (by your ISP) to someone who registered an account on RCR then broke their rules in some way? In any case it's clearly a mistake so if you emailed them (don't know the address I'm afraid) and explained I'm sure they would sort it for you.
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Hi SP,
Obviously it is some kind of glitch.
I will get onto to Admin and try and sort it if you wish.
@George...You really do need to move on as your constant baiting is rather tiresome.
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Hi SP,
This message has been posted by Admin on RCR....
If you happen to get a banned message after registering on the site then send an email. This is often caused by a user registering and then not activating their account or trying to access a subscriber forum. This will be solved in the near future.
The forum will be simplified after Xmas and upgraded too.
Regards
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@George...You really do need to move on as your constant baiting is rather tiresome.
I'm surprised you defend that wretched forum with a personal attack on me. I'll express my opinion if I want to. I've never forgotten how the individual who set it up came here like the pied piper and made claims which simply aren't plausible, then set up a team of user names (male and female) which I suspect are just him. Who knows? It's just plain weird.
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SP It's definitely worth pursuing, there's a few of the guys from here on their.
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@George...You really do need to move on as your constant baiting is rather tiresome.
I'm surprised you defend that wretched forum with a personal attack on me. I'll express my opinion if I want to. I've never forgotten how the individual who set it up came here like the pied piper and made claims which simply aren't plausible, then set up a team of user names (male and female) which I suspect are just him. Who knows? It's just plain weird.
George,
Here we go again.
I don't defend RCR as I feel I don't have a need to. Whatever you got up to in the past is of no concern to me, it was before my time, as it were.
I do struggle to understand how you feel my statement is defending the site. ???
I have no desire to suppress you casting your opinion ::)
I am, but maybe shouldn't be, surprised by the melodramatics of "that wretched forum" and the victim mentality of "personal attack on me" which you quote at the earliest opportunity.
I am merely saying that you should move on as it may turn you into a bitter and twisted old man.
Have a good day George,
Mick
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Ahh, Cr0 vs RCR fisty cuffs!! both sites have there merits but RCR does seem to be dying off slowly, shame got some good info over the years with inside kitchen Videos think they got deleted tho.
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I have no desire to suppress you casting your opinion ::)
I'm sorry but why didn't you say something useful in your earlier post when, instead of giving reasons for disagreeing with me, you said my "baiting is rather tiresome."
I'm not 'baiting' anybody. I know my views are not shared by everyone but it was SP who, not unreasonably, raised the subject of RCR. If you don't agree with me, then give reasons, instead of trying to stifle debate by using daft words like 'troll' or baiting'. In your position it may have been better to have maintained a dignified silence.
Or, if you wanted to speak out, you may have declared your opinion which is probably along the lines that it's a first class site. the navigation and ease of use are better than here and there are genuine reasons (state them) why a whole host of previous promises by the site owner failed to materialise, like books for a start. Oh, and that he really did have 10 or 20 years previous experience of a BIR kitchen before starting the site.
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Surely there's enough room for both sites, I don't see the problem. If you don't like them, just don't go there. ;)
Les
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Oh, come on Les. What a crazy idea.
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Oh, come on Les. What a crazy idea.
Why! There are loads of curry sites, What's the big deal with RCR, apart from the fact that Thea want money for certain info,
Les
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I have no desire to suppress you casting your opinion ::)
I'm sorry but why didn't you say something useful in your earlier post when, instead of giving reasons for disagreeing with me, you said my "baiting is rather tiresome."
I'm not 'baiting' anybody. I know my views are not shared by everyone but it was SP who, not unreasonably, raised the subject of RCR. If you don't agree with me, then give reasons, instead of trying to stifle debate by using daft words like 'troll' or baiting'. In your position it may have been better to have maintained a dignified silence.
Or, if you wanted to speak out, you may have declared your opinion which is probably along the lines that it's a first class site. the navigation and ease of use are better than here and there are genuine reasons (state them) why a whole host of previous promises by the site owner failed to materialise, like books for a start. Oh, and that he really did have 10 or 20 years previous experience of a BIR kitchen before starting the site.
OK George,
You've done me in.....
I didn't use the word "troll" ???
I really don't think I need to take advice from you about "my position"
I am frustrated by your attitude displayed over quite a period of time.
And I'm sorry, as far as your last paragraph goes... regarding Navigation, ease of use, better than here etc. What on Earth has that got to do with anything I have said? That's a rhetorical question by the way... I can't possibly debate anything with you or anyone who views their world in the twisted way you clearly do.
I would also want to make it clear, I have no animosity towards CR0 and it's membership.
To be honest I find the site V site stuff quite pathetic, hence my original comment to George about moving on.
My apologies to everyone of those decent people that make up the vast majority of the membership of this site.
I will leave you to it and wish you all a good Christmas and good luck with your future curry cooking.
Cheers,
Mick
PS Say what you have to George, I can't be dealing with you anymore.
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Oh, come on Les. What a crazy idea.
Why! There are loads of curry sites, What's the big deal with RCR, apart from the fact that Thea want money for certain info,
Les
Irony doesn't really work on the internet, however heavy-handed. I'll remember to put a ;) next time.
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Oh, come on Les. What a crazy idea.
Why! There are loads of curry sites, What's the big deal with RCR, apart from the fact that Thea want money for certain info,
Les
Irony doesn't really work on the internet, however heavy-handed. I'll remember to put a ;) next time.
How very true.. Bit like texting. Very easily taken the wrong way. Never known a forum though where the Moderator needs more moderation than many of the other contributors!!! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :o
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Sorry , just couldn' t keep the fingers in the pockets any longer. Just had to be said. ;)
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How very true.. Bit like texting. Very easily taken the wrong way. Never known a forum though where the Moderator needs more moderation than many of the other contributors!!! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :o
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Nail on head
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If we have lost CBM it will be a sad sad day indeed
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Never known a forum though where the Moderator needs more moderation than many of the other contributors!!!
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George. You seem to be moderating this large forum single-handedly. Appreciate the good work you are doing on here, its not easy being a moderator, but I think the forum needs a bit more (impartial) tlc. How about taking on some additional help? There were several volunteers during the recent spam problems. That is what I would do. Then delete this thread; it doesnt look good, in terms of attracting new members. Very best wishes.
Rob :)
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Irony doesn't really work on the internet, however heavy-handed. I'll remember to put a ;) next time.
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Apologies Fried, Yes I took it another way. ;D (obviously the wrong way)
Les
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There are some on this forum who have such severe issues that it's better simply to leave them to wallow in their own misery and not engage them in conversation at all. Message below applies....
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How very true.. Bit like texting. Very easily taken the wrong way. Never known a forum though where the Moderator needs more moderation than many of the other contributors!!! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :o
Nail on head
I agree, He's spot on and it suggests to me that I'm meeting my own objectives in terms of (a) fulfilling a simple admin role - spam deletion and a few amendments, generally with members agreement, and (b) not trying to turn into some goody-goody just because I have the moderator badge. I'm the same person as always.
I sincerely hope that CBM does not leave the forum but, if he does, it couldn't possibly be as a result of SP starting this thread or my response. In the scheme of things, it's nothing. Moreover, CBM became involved out of the blue and chose to be quite rude to me by saying I was 'baiting'. Then, when I responded, he didn't like it.
Don't blame me or SP. If CBM can't stand the heat, he shouldn't have walked into the kitchen.
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I love this forum and have learned loads from it but every now and again it deteriorates into personal jibes and attacks - come on guys let it go please.
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I love this forum and have learned loads from it but every now and again it deteriorates into personal jibes and attacks - come on guys let it go please.
here here
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sorry to all the good people on here,but, i will be only be sharing vids pix and recipes on RCR.
i don't see the point of putting them on here to only have George pull them and the forum to bits.
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sorry to all the good people on here,but, i will be only be sharing vids pix and recipes on RCR.i don't see the point of putting them on here to only have George pull them and the forum to bits.
Chris, the forum has 19167 members, of whom 2 1/2 (0,01%) are disruptive. Are you really going to let that 0,01% affect your attitude to the forum ?
** Phil.
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Chris, the forum has 19167 members, of whom 2 1/2 (0,01%) are disruptive. Are you really going to let that 0,01% affect your attitude to the forum ?
** Phil.
I have chosen not to comment on this thread until now. I have already PM'd CBM and made him aware of my views (probably the same as many other forum members) and I hope he reconsiders his position for the benefit of all those regulars on here who are only interested in furthering their BIR knowledge and cooking skills. Mick's regular contributions have enabled this forum to keep moving forward and I know my own skills are better for and have benefited from the hours of video footage that he has made available to CR0
But this is a good question Phil. If we all over reacted when the occasional forum spat breaks out, there'd be nobody here at all. Fortunately, the majority of regular posters here ignore it (no matter how irksome and non-sensical it often is) and curry on regardless for the benefit of everybody else. And I hope that they long continue to do so rather than become embroiled in other's differences of opinion.
Chris, if you think the grass is greener on the other side, by all means try it mate. You'll find it tastes exactly the same though and that you will encounter an equal number of cow pats over there too ::). Best of luck anyway whatever you decide to do and thanks for the SIG ;)
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ok CH and phil, i will not let George spoil it for everybody else, i will just totally ignore him.
thanks guys.
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Well said Phil and CH.
Please stick around Chris. 8)
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...the forum has 19167 members, of whom 2 1/2 (0,01%) are disruptive...
Without commenting on the subject of this thread (which will surely die the death it now so richly deserves), I'm intrigued by the "1/2", Phil. It'll give me hours of puzzling pleasure! :)
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I have no intention whatsoever of putting names to my mysterious statistics : the guilty parties know who they are, and that's all that matters ;)
** Phil.
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I normally stay out of this nonsense but I really hope CBM reconsiders his position.He's one of the few people who have had regular access to the workings of BIR kitchen,his videos have been invaluble to me(especially his Little Inidia base gravy).A great shame if he goes.
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...I have no intention whatsoever of putting names to my mysterious statistics...
Quite right too, Phil! :)
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Your right there jb
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Yes this forum has been a better place for having Mick's presence here.
Thanks a lot George, hope you are pleased with yourself. >:(
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ok CH and phil, i will not let George spoil it for everybody else, i will just totally ignore him.
Yes, I think it's probably best if you follow the advice to put account settings in place, so you don't read my posts, if you are so easily offended. Please let me know when that's been done, and I can then say more, safe in the knowledge that you won't read it.
If I'd committed a crime, the justice system would be hoping I'd repent. The first step would be to understand what crime I've committed, exactly. Could somebody please tell me. It's only words on a web page, after all. Which words of mine on this thread caused so many insults and threats to be thrown in my direction?
Also, does anyone agree I should delete this whole thread? If at least 75% of the people posting to this thread agree, I'll delete it. Or, if you don't want it deleted, please tell everyone why. Why would you want to leave this thread here, when it could create a bad impression for new members, and people of a weak disposition.
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Why not leave the original post and the informative replies in place, George, and just delete the troll(s) and the responses they elicited ? The original message was perfectly valid, and some of the responses were analytic and helpful.
** Phil.
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Why not leave the original post and the informative replies in place, George, and just delete the troll(s) and the responses they elicited ? The original message was perfectly valid, and some of the responses were analytic and helpful.
OK, good idea, and I'll be pleased to do that. Do you agree I should get 75% agreement before proceeding, or live dangerously and proceed a.s.a.p? I dont think any of us are trolls though. We just have opinions.
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Why not leave the original post and the informative replies in place, George, and just delete the troll(s) and the responses they elicited ?
Chris, the forum has 19167 members, of whom 2 1/2 (0,01%) are disruptive.
Hopefully the irony is not lost on you phil? ::)
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Hopefully the irony is not lost on you phil? ::)
Completely lost, I am afraid. Is it safe to ask for enlightenment, or is that likely to lead to further disruptive exchanges ?
** Phil.
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Two things I have deduced from this thread (and forum); 1 - the passion for cooking the perfect BIR curry is second to none (highly commended), 2 - I think maybe we might drink too much when posting comments and replies (enjoyable but not highly recommended)
This is an excellent site, we don
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My vote - leave the posts as they are. Lock the thread perhaps but do not delete.
Happy to expand with reasons but suffice to say, moderators should not get involved in this type of diatribe. I do not mean offence by that but the thankless task of moderation should be restricted to just that and cannot and should not be combined with the type of comments made within this thread.
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George, You can ditch mine (all 755 them) if you so wish, No worries
Les
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My vote - leave the posts as they are. Lock the thread perhaps but do not delete.
Happy to expand with reasons but suffice to say, moderators should not get involved in this type of diatribe. I do not mean offence by that but the thankless task of moderation should be restricted to just that and cannot and should not be combined with the type of comments made within is thread.
Do please give some idea of how it can be justified to leave this thread intact?
On the subject of moderation, I say again that I don't see my role as that of a typical 'judge and jury' moderator. I'm just a normal member performing an admin role. I think it's better, but you might not agree. Perhaps you'd prefer a goody-goody moderator whose decision is final on all matters. I hate that style of moderation, speaking as a user/member of forums.
Also, if nobody can tell me what I said to stir up so much trouble, Ill have to conclude I didn't do much wrong, and I was simply on the receiving end of a load of threats and bullying, partially from people seeking attention.
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It is justified by the right of all members to have their say ( yes including you ) provided that that say is within the rules of the forum and do not go outside the boundaries of decency etc. what right therefore follows for an individual to choose which posts get deleted and which do not just because others disagree?
I do not intend to make further comment regarding your style of moderation. Life is really too short and I have some curry porn to upload. ;)
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Live is too short.
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I don't see any reason for the thread to be modified in any way, locked by Admin maybe but not tampered with. There are several threads on this site that became a lot more heated and acidic compared to this one. It would be good if we forum members could now move on and get on with the business of BIR curry making and discussion, confining this thread to the past. Hopefully, the dust will settle and there will be no major implications from its posting - fingers crossed ??? ???
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Blimey, it wasn't mean to provoke this kind of discussion! :'( Sorry for any offence caused folks, it was a curiousity, nothing more. I am happy for this thread to be removed, thanks to various members for their helpful suggestions, I hadn't realised there was such rivalry between the two sites (in fact I hadn't even realised there was another serious forum until recently, and I've been here since 2006!)
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I don't see any reason for the thread to be modified in any way, locked by Admin maybe but not tampered with. There are several threads on this site that became a lot more heated and acidic compared to this one. It would be good if we forum members could now move on and get on with the business of BIR curry making and discussion, confining this thread to the past. Hopefully, the dust will settle and there will be no major implications from its posting - fingers crossed ??? ???
Wise words. I for one will take no further part in this debacle. I am only here for the beer (sorry, curry).
Curry on!
Rob :)
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Blimey, it wasn't mean to provoke this kind of discussion! :'( Sorry for any offence caused folks, it was a curiousity, nothing more. I am happy for this thread to be removed, thanks to various members for their helpful suggestions, I hadn't realised there was such rivalry between the two sites (in fact I hadn't even realised there was another serious forum until recently, and I've been here since 2006!)
Just to clarify, no personal dig was intended sp. And yes there is bitter rivalry between the two sites, for some members at least :(. Best confined to the annals of history ???
As already said, time to curry on ;)
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Blimey, it wasn't mean to provoke this kind of discussion! :'( Sorry for any offence caused folks, it was a curiousity, nothing more. I am happy for this thread to be removed, thanks to various members for their helpful suggestions, I hadn't realised there was such rivalry between the two sites (in fact I hadn't even realised there was another serious forum until recently, and I've been here since 2006!)
sp, if it wasn't this thread it would have been another. I've seen much worse in my short time on here. It actually does a forum no harm in a way. The "secret onion paste" debated years ago on cr0 between, I'm assuming adult males is particularly ludicrous. Julian c2go was slaughtered by a few on here when he surfaced, it is a curry debating forum after all.
Regards
ELW
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I don't see any reason for the thread to be modified in any way, locked by Admin maybe but not tampered with. There are several threads on this site that became a lot more heated and acidic compared to this one. It would be good if we forum members could now move on and get on with the business of BIR curry making and discussion, confining this thread to the past. Hopefully, the dust will settle and there will be no major implications from its posting - fingers crossed ??? ???
I agree - you speak wise words. I just hope that Admin doesn't come along and lock or delete the thread, when we lack the consensus for 'self-regulation' based on my attempt at democratic moderation. I could lock or delete it, but I don't appear to have the mandate.
I also agree there have been far worse threads on here. I certainly don't hold any grudges, short term or long term against anybody. It's interesting, also, that these threads attract interest like no other, so it can't be all bad.
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It's interesting, also, that these threads attract interest like no other, so it can't be all bad.
And paedophiles attracts far more interest than paediatricians, so I'm not entirely convinced that your argument holds water, George ... !
** Phil.
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Leave the thread where it is and the full content of the thread - everyone on the forum as members is entitled to have a say - there has really been no personal insults as such - from this I've joined RCR also. As far as i'm concerned we all make curries some more regular than others so the interests are all the same.
I think this site is great its easy to navigate round and there is a wealth of knowledge on here! From everyone who actually contribute with recipes.
As per all forum sites there are many who contribute absolutely NOTHING! Which is made up with the talent waiting to show their efforts with pictures or recipes.
best, Rich
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It's interesting, also, that these threads attract interest like no other, so it can't be all bad.
And paedophiles attracts far more interest than paediatricians, so I'm not entirely convinced that your argument holds water, George ... !
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You don't need to be convinced! I see it as a near-fact. Whenever I click on argumentative threads, I see about a dozen member names also listed as viewing the thread. On other threads, it might be two or three people. Let's not bring paedophiles into the discussion.
If you want to use an extreme example, then so will I. With some of the threats made on this thread, it did occur to me it was a bit like the threats made by the commandants of Japanese POW camps in WWII. Like, if even one person escaped, then something like a dozen others might be selected and executed, to punish a high number, just because you have a grievance against one person. Insane.
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Agree.
Downright tiresome now!
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It's interesting, also, that these threads attract interest like no other, so it can't be all bad.
And paedophiles attracts far more interest than paediatricians, so I'm not entirely convinced that your argument holds water, George ... !
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You don't need to be convinced! I see it as a near-fact. Whenever I click on argumentative threads, I see about a dozen member names also listed as viewing the thread. On other threads, it might be two or three people. Let's not bring paedophiles into the discussion.
If you want to use an extreme example, then so will I. With some of the threats made on this thread, it did occur to me it was a bit like the threats made by the commandants of Japanese POW camps in WWII. Like, if even one person escaped, then something like a dozen others might be selected and executed, to punish a high number, just because you have a grievance against one person. Insane.
Colonel Nicholson: Bridge over the river kwai: One day the war will be over. And I hope that the people that use this bridge in years to come will remember how it was built and who built it. Not a gang of slaves, but soldiers, British soldiers, Clipton, even in captivity. Who built this site and have carried it forward Curry makers in kitchens around the world - i'm standing up now hand on heart! Proud! To say i work in a kitchen with heat flames and the stench of chilli making my nose run and eyes water I'M PROUD to be a BRITISH INDIAN CURRY MAKER - OK enough i'm overcome with emotion!! Wish i could whistle Bridge on the River Kwai Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83bmsluWHZc#)
best, Rich
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Registration problems at RCR is none of this forums business.
This thread should have been deleted (by someone who hasn't promised to only remove spam) at the outset, in my opinion. And the whole thread still should be.
All it's doing is bringing this forum into disrepute....and it adds absolutely no value to this forum.
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All it's doing is bringing this forum into disrepute....and it adds absolutely no value to this forum.
agreed
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All it's doing is bringing this forum into disrepute....and it adds absolutely no value to this forum.
agreed
I agree too, but because there are at least two members who disagree, there's no consensus and, if I deleted the thread, CA would probably be the first person to complain.
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Colonel Nicholson: Bridge over the river kwai:
The trouble is, that film was criticised somewhat for giving a relatively soft view of life in a Japanese POW camp. It was apparently never that soft. I got my thought for blaming (shooting) many people in response to the alleged wrong doing of one, after watching another film online - "The Great Raid", about a POW camp holding mainly US troops. Life in that camp was portrayed as much harsher than in "Bridge On the River Kwai"
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I vote it stays.
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CA would probably be the first person to complain.
So What, Is he your master George :(
No. Just another member of this forum (wait for it)
Les
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George stop being a (http://images.nitrosell.com/product_images/13/3038/bun-door-knob-3034-51-abu.jpg) and delete this thread.
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Here, Here.
Les
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You don't need to be convinced! I see it as a near-fact. Whenever I click on argumentative threads, I see about a dozen member names also listed as viewing the thread. On other threads, it might be two or three people.
Yes, a dozen or more members are getting extremely p1ss@d off at deliberately inflammatory statements being made, and at the responses that they predictably elicit. How you can view that in a positive light I simply cannot understand. All such threads do is to show the forum in a very bad light, and encourage would-be (and even some existing) members to desert CR0 and join RCR.
If you want to use an extreme example, then so will I. With some of the threats made on this thread, it did occur to me it was a bit like the threats made by the commandants of Japanese POW camps in WWII. Like, if even one person escaped, then something like a dozen others might be selected and executed, to punish a high number, just because you have a grievance against one person. Insane.
In the light of your later comments in the portrayal of the Japanese in BotRK, I have two observations :
1) Read "Spice Island Slaves" by the late Professor Leslie Audus, himself a FEPOW (Far East (former) Prisoner of War); he is not judgemental, but tells the unvarnished truth, which is pretty horrific.
2) During my visit to Kyoto a couple of years ago, I met a very large number of extremely likeable, friendly, polite Japanese people. I also met one of the Imperial Guards, on duty in the gardens of the Imperial Palace, who in an outburst of fury because my Chinese teacher had stepped three inches over a line, gave a terrifying demonstration of what can happen when a person in authority observes what he regards as "inappropriate behaviour" by someone who (by virtue of the latter's nationality and position) he does not deem as worthy of any respect. It was the Emperor's garden, and a Chinese visitor had unwittingly trespassed by three inches : the response was so extreme that I felt I was witnessing at first-hand the behaviour of a Japanese PoW camp commandant.
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Hi Phil, perhaps now there is no need for me to apologies to the OP for hijacking but...
Why does your username still in chaa006? and why you sigh off [**]Phil
What do the two stars mean? its ok if it means nothing it just bugs me ? not much but enough i have to ask hope you don't mind?
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I have no desire to suppress you casting your opinion ::)
I'm sorry but why didn't you say something useful in your earlier post when, instead of giving reasons for disagreeing with me, you said my "baiting is rather tiresome."
I'm not 'baiting' anybody. I know my views are not shared by everyone but it was SP who, not unreasonably, raised the subject of RCR. If you don't agree with me, then give reasons, instead of trying to stifle debate by using daft words like 'troll' or baiting'. In your position it may have been better to have maintained a dignified silence.
Or, if you wanted to speak out, you may have declared your opinion which is probably along the lines that it's a first class site. the navigation and ease of use are better than here and there are genuine reasons (state them) why a whole host of previous promises by the site owner failed to materialise, like books for a start. Oh, and that he really did have 10 or 20 years previous experience of a BIR kitchen before starting the site.
OK George,
You've done me in.....
I didn't use the word "troll" ???
I really don't think I need to take advice from you about "my position"
I am frustrated by your attitude displayed over quite a period of time.
And I'm sorry, as far as your last paragraph goes... regarding Navigation, ease of use, better than here etc. What on Earth has that got to do with anything I have said? That's a rhetorical question by the way... I can't possibly debate anything with you or anyone who views their world in the twisted way you clearly do.
I would also want to make it clear, I have no animosity towards CR0 and it's membership.
To be honest I find the site V site stuff quite pathetic, hence my original comment to George about moving on.
My apologies to everyone of those decent people that make up the vast majority of the membership of this site.
I will leave you to it and wish you all a good Christmas and good luck with your future curry cooking.
Cheers,
Mick
PS Say what you have to George, I can't be dealing with you anymore.
D
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Hi Phil, perhaps now there is no need for me to apologies to the OP for hijacking but...
Why does your username still in chaa006? and why you sigh off [**]Phil
What do the two stars mean? its ok if it means nothing it just bugs me ? not much but enough i have to ask hope you don't mind?
He prefers @Phil, I think he said somewhere?