Topic: The Curry Book

[Woks Up]

lmao, that sites been changed now!  ;D

Oh well, go to http://www.all-recipe.co.uk before thats changed too lol

In case it is, check on the "drinks" site registered in his name here http://www.all-recipe.co.uk/drinks/ where it promises:

"Welcome to Drinks. Whether your throwing a party or just relaxing with a friend, you will find great drinks here to quench your thirst. Come in and browse around. If you see something you like, try it and let us know how it was. Don't forget to tell your friends about us!"

Hes not in it it for money.  Hes not devious.  Hes just a good guy out to help his friends throughout the world that he doesnt actually know  :

Surely he hasnt REALLY tried to conceal his plot by quickly changing that site has he?  I can hardly believe it lmao  ;D

[Woks Up]

Hahahahah.....lmao...that sites been deactivated TOO now 

Thats amazing!  Covering tracks or what!  :

Luckily I took screen shots and saved my internet cache 

Try to tell me THATS the actions of a man to be trusted :

What a devious scoundrel he seems to be! 

[Secret Santa]

I downloaded this sample ebook and it really adds nothing but two names - G Zilanee and A Roberts - presumably as the authors of the esteemed publication

Really? So where has the mystical curry-guru named Ali got to then? It was always made clear that everything on RCR had to be OK'd with Ali before it could be put on the site. Surely the head chef and owner of the restaurant (Ali), after whom these recipes are supposed to originate, would want his name up there in lights too, wouldn't he?

[Woks Up]

According to "steve" (admin) at rcr my "outbursts" are "ill informed", I "gets most of it all wrong" and "the mentioned sites "Mexican-Food-Recipes" belongs to and is run by a company in AZ, "Italian-Food-Recipes" is owned and run by an organisation in Italy. "Chinese-Food-Recipes" is privately owned by an individual with no connection to us either" he says  :

Well, lets look at the some of the available facts shall we.  Bear in mind that "someone" was busy deleting many of these as I was making my previous posts.  I wonder why?   :

This is the public domain registration information for the sites mentioned:

Registered Domain name:             chinese-food-recipe.co.uk
Registrant:                   Andy Roberts
Relevant dates:          Registered on: 18-Mar-2007
                          Renewal date:  18-Mar-2009
                                        Last updated:  08-Jan-2008

Registered Domain name:             italian-food-recipe.co.uk
Registrant:                   Andy Roberts
Relevant dates:          Registered on: 20-Mar-2007
                    Renewal date:  20-Mar-2009
                    Last updated:  14-Dec-2007

Registered Domain name:             mexican-food-recipe.co.uk
Registrant:                   Andy Roberts
Relevant dates:          Registered on: 20-Mar-2007
                           Renewal date:  20-Mar-2009
                                        Last updated:  05-Jan-2008

Registered Domain name:             foodbazaar.co.uk
Registrant:                   Andy Roberts
Relevant dates:          Registered on: 14-Apr-2007
                          Renewal date:  14-Apr-2009
                                        Last updated:  14-Apr-2007

Registered Domain name:             spicesandherbs.co.uk
Registrant:                   Andy Roberts
Relevant dates:          Registered on: 01-Apr-2007
                    Renewal date:  01-Apr-2009
                    Last updated:  02-Apr-2007

Registered Domain name:             all-recipe.co.uk
Registrant:                   Andy Roberts
Relevant dates:          Registered on: 18-Mar-2007
                                        Renewal date:  18-Mar-2009
                                        Last updated:  18-Mar-2007

Registered Domain name:             realcurryrecipes.co.uk
Registrant:                   Andy Roberts
Relevant dates:          Registered on:  30-Jan-2007
                    Renewal date:  30-Jan-2009

Note some of the very recent updates to this registrant information, the chinese restaurant one as recently as 8th January!  Maybe he just forgot that he has a connection with them then?   :

I also have many screen shots of the mentioned sites before they were modified or deactivated on the 9th January as I was posting.  But I'll spare you these details unless requested otherwise because im sure most of you will find it exceedingly boring and maybe consider it all a bit irrelevant. 

But everything points to an absolutely clear connection to andy and these sites.  So why the continual denial and deception?  All rather strange for someone claiming to have "no connection with" these sites don't you think?  Next hell be telling us he has nothing to do with rcr I expect.   :

I have no objection to anyone making money from these ventures but its this continual denial and deceit that rankles me.  Why wouldn't he just say that hes developed the sites and sold them or given them away (cos hes a good guy not in it for money oh no) to someone else or whatever the situation is?  Why pull the wool over eyes and expect people to follow him like sheep?  What?  Oh they do 

And for those that think this has absolutely no bearing on the topic of this thread, ask yourself this, are you buying a genuine rolex (and paying the price for it) or are you getting one actually made in china despite the claims to the contrary? 

And for any of you not interested in this stuff dont read it.

These views are all mine my personal views of course and are not necessarily those of or endorsed by cr0 or its administration or its owners.

I would discuss them on rcr but they continually ban me amidst personal insults, questioning of my intelligence and general childish ridicule from their hardcore (and some soft core ones too)  :

Maybe you should lock this thread now its seems to be going nowhere fast and is all getting pretty boring.  Lets see what happens when the book comes out.   

Available free as a pdf you say secret santa?  I think ill wait then 

[George]

These views are all mine my personal views of course and are not necessarily those of or endorsed by cr0 or its administration or its owners.

For what it's worth I suppport your views and am pleased that someone is prepared to set out a strong case by way of a counter-argument.

I hope that neither your post is deleted or heavily modified, or that this thread is locked.

Regards
George

[haldi]

Well, I'm not getting it now
I'm totally put off
It really does seem that the author is not a genuine character
The bit that really swayed me was, the absence of Ali fom the book credits
I think this is a book that will never be written, but always for sale

[Woks Up]

Im also not getting it now haldi I must admit.

I have tried to decipher "steves" (rcr admin) latest ramblings on rcr (the stuff in quotes is "steves").  Ive put the more interesting stuff up front and the largely insulting, irrelevant and boring stuff at the end:

This following claim leaves me rather bemused - "thecurrybook.com" (which seems to be there to promote and sell the curry book, the indian chef cook video series etc)  "has no ties to rcr and is run independently as a business".  Apparently "this has been made quite clear" lol  

Huh?  What would they have us believe here then?  That the curry book now has nothing to do with rcr? I thought the "tie" was clear.  Andy is seemingly the registered owner of rcr - or are they going to deny this too? lmao  Rcr has been promoting the curry book as some sort of spin-off compilation of rcr recipes (and was to include rcr member curry photos, screen names, comments, etc).  Andy is also writing the curry book (seemingly together with G Zilanee who may or may not be Ali) and "thecurrybook.com" is seemingly formerly promoting and selling it?  The "tie" seems pretty clear to me.  Maybe I just don't understand it or cant read properly? lol   :

And I thought I was joking when I quipped that soon they'll be telling us andy has no connection to rcr either! rofl   :

That's about all there is of the interesting stuff.  The following is less interesting because it tells us nothing:  :

"Steve" has attached copies of two short and rather uninformative emails (in the context of this debate) allegedly from the registrar of two of the seven plus sites that I ("the ill informed woks up" lol) "keeps spouting about" lol.  "Steve" has apparently "checked with the registrar for absolute confirmation".  Of what though he fails to say roflmao

Maybe he forgot what it was he was supposed to be confirming? They seem to reveal nothing other than "moving" a domain from one account to another?  Two sites, no dates, no nothing.  They tell us nothing about the current or previous registered owners of the seven plus sites mentioned.  Would they really have us believe that andy has no connection with nor ever has had any connection with any of these sites, despite andy apparently being the registered owner of all of them and having his name (as forum administrator mostly) and/or email address (as the "contact us" person) being splattered over most of them.....until some of the sites were edited or deactivated on Wednesday of course? lol  Would they have us believe that my registrant information is all wrong?  Surely not?  We may be stupid but not THAT stupid lol.  Amazingly some people at rcr think this "important information" clarifies things?  Huh? roflmao  :

Now for the largely insulting, irrelevant and boring stuff:

There are individuals on this site that "breed on bullsh**t" (seems like he means you lot - charming).  There are people like me who "generate it" (ie "bullsh**t") through not understanding it" or "have to take things as read without actually getting the facts correct first".  Trust me steve I can sniff out "bulsh**t" from a million miles away :

There are "leading sheep" (presumably that's me lol) and there are "followers who simply follow" (seems like he means you lot again - charming) and "George and Haldi" are "another classic example.... yet more...to have a laugh at..."  I hope your sides are splitting "steve" - charming

There is a "community" that has very few complimentary words to say about "the other site" (that's us folks).  Our name is being "passed around" said esteemed "community".  Cr0 is "in the process of being added" to a list "of sites that support publishing of false information". Oh my lmao :

Seemingly, they at rcr have knowledge and "have a good laugh" at "the individual..(and)..at the site supporting it" (that's all of us folks) with "a lack of knowledge on a subject" (yes, that's us again). 

Yes, as usual, deny, confuse and ridicule rather than clarify the situation again steve.  Nice one "steve" :

Why oh why are they STILL rambling and denying andys involvement in all of these other sites?  Its enough to make ANYONE doubt that everythings kosher I imagine?  :

Here we go steve/andy, try getting your heads around these simple questions if you would:

-  Is andy in this venture for commercial gain (yes or no please)? 
-  If so, did he have this in mind before he became a member of cr0 (yes or no please)?
-  What is the name and address of the restaurant and takeaway andy claims to get the recipes from? 
-  If you cant tell us, please tell us why you cant?
-  Are G.Zilanee and Ali the same person (yes or no please)?
-  Does andy have ANY association with any of the seven plus sites mentioned (yes or no please)?
-  If so, which ones and what association? 
-  Has he EVER had any association with any of the seven plus sites mentioned (yes or no please)?
-  If so, which ones and what association?
-  Has andy transferred ownership and registration of the seven plus sites mentioned (yes or no please)?
-  If so, which ones, when (dates please) and why?
-  Did you, or someone you have any connection with, alter and/or deactivate the seven plus mentioned sites on 9th January (yes or no)?
-  If so, why?

You'll probably choose not to clearly answer these simple questions.  I think they are reasonable questions seeking to clarify the situation and add credence to your bir restaurant recipe claims on both rcr and in the ebook. But you'll probably treat them with contempt and ridicule and dismiss them as being irrelevant.  In which case you only have yourselves to blame for the ongoing doubt and mistrust that you've created haven't you  :

Again I stress that these are all my personal views and not necessarily shared by those of cr0 or its administration or owner.  And noone needs to read or respond to my drivel if they don't want to.  If youre not interested just ignore it

I just want clarity and honesty.  But all we seem to get is smoke, mirrors and bemusing denials and deceit.  I probably wont shut up until I get what I want.  So you might want to lock this thread now guys it could be a very long time coming  :

[Cory Ander]

Jeera's restaurant recommendations moved to here:  http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php/topic,2291.0.html

Other related off-topic posts deleted

[Jeera]

Jethro's restaurant recommendations moved to here:  http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php/topic,2291.0.html

Other related off-topic posts deleted

for crying out loud, will you stop call me Jethro, I have standards you know.

;-)

[George]

It really does seem that the author is not a genuine character
The bit that really swayed me was, the absence of Ali fom the book credits
I think this is a book that will never be written, but always for sale

I may be more confident than you that the book will be published, or any residual credibility will be lost. They'd be doing themselves a favour by publishing a group photo and a few sentences along the lines of "who's who" for Andy and each of the other main players in this affair, too, if only to counter any ideas that it may be just a one-mand band (Andy). And give the name and address of the restaurant, of course. What would be wrong with that at this stage?

As I've said before, I'll be happy to be proved wrong on some of the 'accusations' made. But, unless each of the RCR disciples have met Andy in person and know a lot more than we do as to exactly what's going on, they have to admit it all looks a bit odd and suspicious. IMHO, Andy has only himself to blame for this, due to the way he goes about things.

Still planning on buying the book, Haldi?

Regards
George