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Dopiaza / Re: Cracking Dopiaza with 'the smell'
« on: September 09, 2009, 12:05 AM »
I made this today, was quite rough and ready with my interpretation of the recipe, but it sorted my leftover turkey a treat, we enjoyed it.

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Lets Talk Curry / Re: Using green chilies for that special flavour
« on: March 04, 2009, 05:32 PM »
To quickly clarify: When I make a curry I leave the seeds in, and chop some of the chillis finely (into little rings, about 6 or so) and some coarsely (cut once accross and once lengthways) and I've noticed that its when these are fried for a while in the oil that they create a lovely savoury taste that when it combines with the spices is that particular bir taste everyone is on about.

I know that its the skins of the chillies and not the seeds that give this flavour, and its the frying in oil that releases it.

As everyone knows its the seeds that have the vast majority of the capsicin in them so the skins aren't actually that 'hot'. I think curry houses might not necessarily put in whole chillis with seeds, especially as most of their dishes aren't burning hot but they probably put in oil that has had chilli flesh/skin boiling in it.

If you eat one of the big pieces of chilli skin in one of my final curries it has its own taste but not this one we're on about - thats why I'm sure it passes this on to the oil. Its in the smell as well when they fry, and it changes as they bubble away.

I think reclaiming the oil basically just increases the time that there has been chillis sizzling in it, the more (new) chillies, the better and so the older the oil the better, though I'm sure my idea of a 35 min frying time with one lot of fresh chillies will do the same job... hope someone gives it a go and reports back....

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Lets Talk Curry / Using green chilies for that special flavour
« on: March 03, 2009, 08:22 AM »
What I'm saying though, is that its the way that green chilli taste changes after a lot of cooking in oil that gives that unique flavour - imparting it to the oil.

The reclaimed oil is one way of doing it, or you could try making it - theres even a couple of threads on here where people are suggesting making spiced oil.. but not mentioning fresh green chilli! What all of these recipes need is fresh green chilli.

If you don't want the final dish to be hot, then carefully score the chillis and tip the seeds out. Beleive me I've done this before and the final result, as well as several other characteristics, has had that distinctive taste you get from a take away.

If you want to fit my suggestion into your own 'scientific' method then try this: put 250ml SF oil in a pan, heat it up (but nowhere near smoking temp) then throw in about 25 stemmed, deseeded small green chillis that you bought by weight in the local indian shop. cook it so the chillis are rising and slightly bubbling for 35 - 40 mins, then either take the chillis out with a spoon with holes or strain.. Cool this oil and use it as the cooking oil next time you make your best 'nearest to the real thing' recipe - if you want to remain objective make one at the same time with normal oil.

I think you'll be surprised by the result.

By the way one more thing - I noticed theres a thread on veg ghee, some of you are experimenting. Have a quick search for veg ghee trans fats.. this stuff is generally though to be pretty nasty (and it falls under the new york trans fat ban so curry cooking is def still fine without).

I actually think the main advantage for the restaurant is that veg ghee saves them money because it doesn't have to be refrigerated - marginal effect on flavour and butter ghee or SF oil will do the same job in every case.

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Lets Talk Curry / Using green chilies for that special flavour
« on: March 02, 2009, 08:24 PM »
You're right FT that was a bit unfair. Should have said 'just not the most delicious you can get/make'

And at the end of the day I've spent the last two days diving into the collective obsession with you guys! And I've really enjoyed it.. and picked up a couple of tips/ideas...

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Lets Talk Curry / Using green chilies for that special flavour
« on: March 02, 2009, 06:16 PM »
Hi,

I discovered this site two days ago when I was looking for something and since then I've spent a lot of time reading threads from all over the forum. I like cooking, and can cook a pretty good curry. I prefer dry korahi style dishes. btw I'm half Indian and my Mum's family heritage is Gujerati, she taught me to cook and all of her family cook Indian food all the time.

I'm amazed by your (as a group) obsession with the perfect bir curry, at times it appears that you're literally sending yourselves mad searching for the missing "1%", arguing over how much is in a ladle, modifying an LPG gas ring to double the flow etc. all chasing after this illusive philosophers stone.

You're mostly well past the stage of enjoying the nicest and most lovely food you can with friends and family and ended up with a destructive obsession.

Apart from one or two (curryqueen basically is the only one that comes to mind) you're basically totally missing the point anyway. First of all: yes of course you can make a curry at home which is the same as one from the bangladeshi 'indian takeaway' on the high road! Okay you need to: use fresh green chillis. This has come up on the forum in 2006 and still it sounds like some of you are not using them. That classic takeaway taste is just a combination of that turmericky garam masalaey sauce and fresh green chillis fried in veg oil (sometimes without seeds, sometimes with). Unless you're using lots of green chilli you're literally chasing your own backside tweaking minor things here and there like the number of mls in a ladle or the amount of heat you can provide to the pan etc. because it won't give you that taste. Wise up, curryqueen has been modestly mentioning this on this site for 2+ years and still some of the hard of thinking haven't caught on.

The real point though is that the standard madras, vindaloo, biriyani and tandoori chicken standard british indian is very good to soak up a bit of booze and satisfy your hunger but the dishes you are mentioning are just not that delicious!

The majority of uk restaurants will be run by sylhetis, and even if the chef has been in the uk 20 years (most likely he will have been here a lot less than that) the type of dish he is most adept at and can really excel at his craft is not going to be a chicken tikka balti bhuna!

If its a bangladeshi owner and chef, then the sefood will be shit hot, why not ask for a bengali potato and fish curry, its what they'll be cooking for themeselves and they will def be happy to dish this up for you.. Will be less oily, bigger pieces of veg and yeah a different type of food really but 30 times as delicious and probably cooked with twice as much love.

If you really want to experience something that lives up to that title curry then head to a lahori karahi house - giftos in southall, london.. tasty's in roundhay, leeds for example.. In Giftos you can watch him cook it, and ask him about the spices he's putting in - because its open plan - then you can start making some really amazing stuff at home.. Start by imitating these guys and then develop your own style! This is what I just don't get about the site. The joy of cooking is being able to create.. If you're not inventing and making and then perfecting your own dishes and your own personal style, your own signature then you're not really cooking, you're just chopping, mixing, boiling, frying.

Go to the indian shop get half a kilo of small green chillis (if you want to know exactly which ones ask in your local restaurant when you have a meal for 'a few fresh chillis' - I always do this, and they always bring a plate with about 5 of the things). Don't try using the slightly bigger ones in a 59p bag from tesco - got to get the real thing. Then go to the off license and get 6 beers or your preference of booze, go home and learn how to chill out and enjoy cooking, eating, and living: -ve bir obsession free!!


Of course these things are all about personal preference and yeah I could be chatting shit to deceive you or wind you up or whatever else you paranoid lot want to think so before you flame me I'm just airing my views, others may disagree.. your mileage may vary

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