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Curry Chat => Talk About Anything Other Than Curry => Topic started by: Peripatetic Phil on April 10, 2013, 12:24 PM
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In an attempt to do my part in keeping all threads on track, I shall respond to all off-topic replies in this thread.
Do you guys not think this is the reason we often have trouble moving on when you both unnecessarily continue to refer to the recent problems?
No. I think that the reason we often have trouble moving on is that whilst some are willing to make a brief passing mention of earlier problems before focussing on the main theme of the thread, others focus solely on that brief passing mention and then attempt to hijack the thread by focussing solely on the earlier problems and making no reference the main theme of the thread whatsoever. An example of such a reply can be seen in the thread to which this is a response.
** Phil.
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In an attempt to do my part in keeping all threads on track, I shall respond to all off-topic replies in this thread.
Do you guys not think this is the reason we often have trouble moving on when you both unnecessarily continue to refer to the recent problems?
No. I think that the reason we often have trouble moving on is that whilst some are willing to make a brief passing mention of earlier problems before focussing on the main theme of the thread, others focus solely on that brief passing mention and then attempt to hijack the thread by focussing solely on the earlier problems and making no reference the main theme of the thread whatsoever. An example of such a reply can be seen in the thread to which this is a response.
** Phil.
While others don't have the wit to just let it lie and move on. And who made you the arbiter of what is and is not on track? I know you ache for moderatorship Phil but at least wait until you actually are one to start strutting your stuff eh?
The irony in all this, of course, is that you are one of the main perpetrators of knocking threads off track with your irrelevant waffle about which Dutchy Ostrich egg you've lightly coddled today or what wet dream you experienced at some other unimportant time. Give it a rest old man! ::)
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Santa, please see signature in lieu of any further replies.
** Phil.
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I have to agree with SS. I think your posts do go off the rails a lot, Phil, and in most occasions with tidbits of information relevant to a very few minority. I don't want to extend this into a long discussion, but personally I don't see why this thread had to be created
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I think your posts do go off the rails a lot, Phil, and in most occasions with tidbits of information relevant to a very few minority. I don't want to extend this into a long discussion, but personally I don't see why this thread had to be created
I think that's a perfectly fair and accurate observation, Goncalo, and not one with which I would seek to differ. However, if you look back at the pos (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php/topic,11825.msg93736.html#msg93736)t to which I replied in starting this thread, you will see that (a) that was not what was alleged, (b) it was made in a thread to which it had no relevance, and (c) it was far longer than either of the relevant parts to which it took exception. I moved it here so as not to further pollute the original thread, but felt that a rebuttal was warranted. I have no wish to prolong this debate (which has nothing whatsoever to do with curry) and will be perfectly happy to leave it at that.
** Phil.
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What temperature removes excrement adequately to make it a suitable cooking instrument?
I notice that George has expunged the offending word (an action of which I thoroughly approve) but on thinking about it I realised that in everyday speech I might well speak of... (moderated)
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It would seem that a moderator who prefers to remain anonymous has seen fit not only to remove the non-words ... bulk of remaining text moderated-out since there are far too many bad words, for it to be worth editing them out. You should be ashamed.
Not only double standards, but standards that appear to favour outright bad language over an attempt to avoid giving offence by merely suggesting the word rather than using it.
** Phil.
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To assist George, who has now acknowledged that it was he who moderated the initial post in this thread, I am now re-posting the same message with all instances of the c-word (meaning faeces) and the s-word (also meaning faeces) eliminated. I hope that this will enable him to leave the remainder of the post unchanged, since it was a genuine attempt on my part to initiate an intelligent discussion on why two slang words that both mean "the act of defaecation" and "faeces" can evoke very different reactions in the same person.
What I original wrote was (pre-moderated, and re-expressed because I can no longer remember my exact wording) :
What temperature removes excrement adequately to make it a suitable cooking instrument?
I notice that George has expunged the offending word (an action of which I thoroughly approve) but on thinking about it I realised that in everyday speech I might well speak of "removing all the [1] (from something/somewhere) but never of "removing all the [2] (from something/somewhere). Why is it, I wonder, that two words, both slang, that mean exactly the same thing, can evoke such different reactions in one and the same individual ? Is [2] inherently "worse" than [1], or is there some other factor involved ?
** Phil.
[1] The c-word; as a verb, the act of defaecation; as a noun, faeces.
[1] The s-word; as a verb, the act of defaecation; as a noun, faeces.
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Phil - why do you insist in making these posts? Do members of this forum really want to read paragraphs full of the type of words you are using, even if they are not technically swear words or 'bad language'?
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Because, George, I was genuinely interested in understanding why I find the s-word abhorrent but the c-word acceptable, and wondered whether other members of the forum experienced a similar reaction.
** Phil.
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I was genuinely interested in understanding why I find the s-word abhorrent but the c-word acceptable, and wondered whether other members of the forum experienced a similar reaction.
I'm sure there are specialist forums where one can discuss such issues but I don't think this is the right place. There are several members here who use four letter words and other bad language in passing, despite the rules. That's one thing but you seem to have a fascination in analysing every facet of these words and seeing how far you can push things, like a teenager might. Why?
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There are several members here who use four letter words and other bad language in passing, despite the rules. That's one thing
with which you seem perfectly happy to put up
but you seem to have a fascination in analysing every facet of these words and seeing how far you can push things, like a teenager might. Why?
On the contrary, I deliberately /never/ push things, always using a Bowdlerised version of any word that might be considered offensive in any way. My interest in my reaction to the c-word v. the s--- word is simply a reflection on my interest in life as a whole -- if I do not understand something, then I set out to find out why, and often the best way of discovering this is to find out how other people react to the same stimuli.
I note in passing that you choose to remain oblivious to the fact that the Forum is littered with /real/ bad language, and despite my pointing out to you two blatant examples, you prefer to moderate my Bowderised version rather than do anything about the real bad language that can be found here. I repeat the examples previously given (and augment them), lest in your zeal to moderate my posts you failed to notice the content.
** Phil.
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difference is unbelievable after removing the c--- from it.
www.amoy.co.uk/stwrice/index.php (http://www.amoy.co.uk/stwrice/index.php) ok i know its c--- but hay
they will still be batter than any shop bought c----y naan's
A c--- flavour coming through from the base gravy in the
relied upon to stir up c--- without contributing anything worthwhile
If you like chicken chaat this is a MUST try I s--- you not
Madras just pure dogs---. and i have had better naan
i basically s--- myself before getting home
and they still taste s---.
they beat the s--- out of the nonstick.
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Should it not be Bowel-derise Phil? ;D
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Geo's so-called moderator's thread is an outlet for his hypocrisy and no mistake- He is allowed to insult members of this forum in a locked thread. It is, rather aptly though, called George's LOG....
Perhaps a similar Member's thread can be started to which he has no access :P
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Geo's so-called moderator's thread is an outlet for his hypocrisy and no mistake- He is allowed to insult members of this forum in a locked thread.
Actually, he is not ... When he recently abused that thread to launch personal attacks on two members (one himself a fellow moderator) I used the "Report to moderator" button to report his blatant disregard for the Terms and Conditions to which he agreed when he joined the forum. Interestingly, all trace of the the offensive parts of that message have now disappeared, yet no mention of their removal appears in George's "Moderator's Log".
I urge all fellow forum members to "Report to moderator" all messages, no matter who the author, that are not respectful of others. Remember Betjeman :
'By the boys, for the boys. The boys know best.
Leave it to them to pick the rotters out
With that rough justice decent schoolboys know."
And at the end of term the victim left-
Never to wear an old Marlburian tie.
** Phil.
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I note in passing that you choose to remain oblivious to the fact that the Forum is littered with /real/ bad language, and despite my pointing out to you two blatant examples...
I've done more than anyone to promote the idea of a forum without bad language. Last year, I even did searches for some of the main terms and moderated those out. Now some people would say that's going too far but you are criticising me for getting rid of perhaps "only" 95% of the bad language. I've never received a penny for the work I do on moderating this forum and yet you expect me to spend even more time. Why not ask CH to trawl the forum or go back to examples you flag up? You're still speaking as if I have sole responsibility. You are being totally unreasonable.
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you are criticising me for getting rid of perhaps "only" 95% of the bad language.
No, George. I am not "criticising me for getting rid of perhaps 'only' 95% of the bad language", I am criticising you for getting rid of things that are /not/ bad language whilst leaving real bad language (the existence of which has been pointed out to you) in place. Get your priorities right, please : stamp down on personal attacks and the deliberate use of bad language, and don't divert your efforts into an attempt to "moderate" something that has never contained bad language and which was intended as a serious discussion.
Why not ask CH to trawl the forum or go back to examples you flag up? You're still speaking as if I have sole responsibility. You are being totally unreasonable.
Because, George, it was /you/ who decided to "moderate" my original message (which contained no bad language) to the point where it became meaningless, and /you/ who subsequently "moderated" a similar follow-up message, while ignoring the fact that I had already pointed to instances of /real/ bad language that you elect to overlook. Why, then, should I ask CH to intervene, when it is you, not Curryhell, who conducts a vendetta against bad language ? In my opening message in this sub-thread, I publicly congratulated you on your stance, yet you deliberately elected to remove major parts of a message that seeks to /discuss/ bad language but which does not use bad language, whilst at the same time electing to leave in place many of the instances of real bad language that so mar this forum and bring it into disrepute.
** Phil.
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No, George. I am criticising you...
Ok, I have to admit that I have failed in my attempts to moderate your behaviour/posts. We will continue arguing until the cows come home and we'll never agree. I did think of adding your alternative words for filth to the list of banned terms but you're the only person who uses them, so how can that make sense? You write in an academic and legalistic way, which makes it more like hard work, than a hobby of cooking curries.
Instead, if CH is reading this, I suggest that I transfer the 'special project' which is 'managing and monitoring' Phil, over to CH. Perhaps you'll establish a better online rapport with CH or that he'll be a lot more tolerant than I am.
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Not sure if I'm right here George but to make things easier for you
Iets say there is a sweary sort of word that may be offensive to someone . But not to others
Instead of you deleting and may be wasting your time . And then somtimes getting abuse
why not wait for a complaint first Then delete .
Then your as. ... bottom is covered
just a thought to make your life easier
Mt
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Not sure if I'm right here George but to make things easier for you
Iets say there is a sweary sort of word that may be offensive to someone . But not to others
Instead of you deleting and may be wasting your time . And then somtimes getting abuse
why not wait for a complaint first Then delete .
Then your as. ... bottom is covered
just a thought to make your life easier
Mt
Like it....(http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/images/smilies/thumbs_up.gif)
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F***** love it :)
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why not wait for a complaint first Then delete .
I quite like the idea for the borderline cases, but is there not a short-list of really offensive words (I was going to list them, but didn't want to upset George) that we could all agree should be stamped down on immediately without requiring any formal complaint to be made ?
** Phil.
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No, George. I am criticising you...
Perhaps you'll establish a better online rapport with CH or that he'll be a lot more tolerant than I am.
Or perhaps he may bring a small dose of common to the entire issue! :)
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Yes Phil I think offensive should go straight away and for me that is common sense
The jesty ones I'm referring to
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I quite like the idea for the borderline cases, but is there not a short-list of really offensive words (I was going to list them, but didn't want to upset George) that we could all agree should be stamped down on immediately without requiring any formal complaint to be made ?
** Phil.
Yes we're all going to agree, Phil; just like the earth is flat, there is a God and Hearts will win the Champions League in my lifetime :)
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Blooming heck , some sense been spoken , well said M T :)
Mind you certain people will report jokey sweary words just because ....
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why not wait for a complaint first Then delete .
Enter "THE REPORT TO MODERATOR" button and part of the solution :o
Instead, if CH is reading this, I suggest that I transfer the 'special project' which is 'managing and monitoring' Phil, over to CH. Perhaps you'll establish a better online rapport with CH or that he'll be a lot more tolerant than I am.
Sorry George. You may be my senior in age, length of membership, length of TIME as a mod BUT THAT IS ALL. I am your co-moderator not your "goffer". I'll decline the special project as it has no place in this forum. I will moderate ALL members posts as needs be, just as I expect you to. To go down this route will only lead to shouts of favouritism etc.etc.
I did think of adding your alternative words for filth to the list of banned terms
I didn't realise there was such a document George. Admin did not make me aware of it. Or, is it something you've drawn up off your own back? Maybe you should share it with me. I know it's a terrible thought but if we were to actually agree the content, there would at least be some consistancy in moderation of FOUL language. "Bad language" could simply have been put better and could be used in an "off the cuff" remark or as a means of humour or jest. The forum is full of the latter two from the very outset and considered by the moderators of the day to be perfectly acceptable.
But FOUL and OFFENSIVE language does need immediate moderation.
I wait to receive a PM of the list :)
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why not wait for a complaint first Then delete .
I quite like the idea for the borderline cases, but is there not a short-list of really offensive words (I was going to list them, but didn't want to upset George) that we could all agree should be stamped down on immediately without requiring any formal complaint to be made ?
Now we might be getting somewhere! Micky Tikka's idea is certainly worth a trial, so that's what I'll do - I'll wait for a "report to mod" sponsor before removing anything. Coupled with Phil's good idea to encourage everyone to use the 'report' button it might actually be an improvement.
I have a list but, given the work which went into compiling it, I consider it's my intellectual property and I'm not about to hand it over to CH. I'm surprised to hear any suggestion that there's lots of old swear words on the forum. I searched for, and removed, everything I found about a year ago. But for anything that's left, please 'report to mod'.
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I have a list but, given the work which went into compiling it, I consider it's my intellectual property and I'm not about to hand it over to CH.
;D Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron George. As you have no intention of "being part of a team" as you posted in another thread, I'll leave you to do all the language moderating. I'm sure all members will be impressed with your expected response ::)
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You're missing the point "George." What MT & Phil suggests is the norm on every other forum most people here are on; not a new idea to be tried. Your second sentence indicates you wouldn't know that though.
Are you going to delete that log thread too? It's mildly cretinous and shall we say possibly easily misunderstood by your targets fellow members.
:)
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Are you going to delete that log thread too? It's mildly cretinous and shall we say possibly easily misunderstood by your targets fellow members.
(http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/images/smilies/thumbs_up.gif)
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Why not send George a "PM" then he can post your PM it in the
forum for all to read. Add that to the selected deleted posts
(they won't be in his log)
I stopped posting a while ago because of this guy.
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Why not send George a "PM" then he can post your PM it in the
forum for all to read. Add that to the selected deleted posts
(they won't be in his log)
I stopped posting a while ago because of this guy.
That's bad, Graeme. Im sorry to learn that. I wasn't aware of that fact, as I'm sure many others weren't either.
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Naga,
I have sent a PM to ask for this matter to be looked into..
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You're missing the point "George." What MT & Phil suggests is the norm on every other forum most people here are on; not a new idea to be tried. Your second sentence indicates you wouldn't know that though.
Really? The only person who might be missing something is you. I didn't say it was a new idea, did I?
As for Graeme's post, can anyone unscramble what he's trying to say, apart from popping up again, just to be rude?
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Apart from having one of my posts, from a different thread, quoted by Phil on page 1 of this thread, I have to this point stayed out of this ongoing issue cycle's revolution. Honestly, it is a bit tiresome and I wonder if we might all be better off doing exactly what has already been suggested over and over, and adopting what is clearly the oft-referred to common sense approach. Stop wasting energy on this pointless debate.
That is;
Follow the rules of the forum. Allow the moderator/s to perform their role, and thirdly, assist them where possible by using the abovementioned "Report to moderator" facility when they miss something or haven't noticed it yet. Ask George, I've done it.
I have no issue, personal or otherwise, with any other member here. I love a bit of humour and often cuss and curse like a sailor in the appropriate forum or company, but this is clearly not it. I don't think the approach of the mod/s has been either heavy-handed or MIA, but clearly others see it differently. As Garp said, the world is flat etc. You know the saying about pleasing some people all the time, blah blah blah. It's not going to ever happen. We have to accept the job they do and help where possible. The easiest way to do this is to simply refrain from typing the offending words in the first place. It is just not necessary.
As for Phil's original reasoning for this thread, I'm afraid it has failed since it would appear that it too has been derailed. Unfortunately, thread derailment is a common occurrence in internet forums and will remain so. This thread has gone "off topic" and is now, once again, a pointless argument about bad language and moderator performance.
We should all step back and look at this for what it is.
A mistake.
Bad practice.
Waste of energy.
Petty.
Unnecessary.
Damaging.
If the rules allow for the suspension or restriction and banning of members, perhaps the mod/s and admin need to start to use these options where it is deemed necessary after warnings and consultation via PM.
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+1 agreed ;D
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Why not send George a "PM" then he can post your PM it in the
forum for all to read. Add that to the selected deleted posts
(they won't be in his log)
I stopped posting a while ago because of this guy.
Is it rude George, OR, is it Fact ? A pm is as it say's, a "Private Message" ;)
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You're missing the point "George." What MT & Phil suggests is the norm on every other forum most people here are on; not a new idea to be tried. Your second sentence indicates you wouldn't know that though.
Really? The only person who might be missing something is you. I didn't say it was a new idea, did I?
As for Graeme's post, can anyone unscramble what he's trying to say, apart from popping up again, just to be rude?
The point George is that that is what should have been happening anyway. Not your Orwellian eradication of things that you personally don't approve of. And your list of bad words! You think you're President Nixon or something???
Now repeat after me so we know you have understood.
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That's quite bad, Gav.
'Poof', I would suggest, is a word worse than any swear word posted on here.
Quite right. It should obviously be "poofter"; like Garp, I /hate/ these unnecessary contractions ("defo" for "definitely", "m8" for "my esteemed friend" and so on ...).
** Phil.
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9 April - I deleted the topic/thread started by Gav Iscon entitled something like "Do you think George should resign?"
And thereby voluntarily surrendered your last vestige of credibility. Sorry, George, this time you have /really/ blown it, big time.
** Phil.
(Topic originator now corrected)
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Ha Ha Ha What a funny thread! Life at cr0 is so much more bearable since I have chosen to ignore Phil. I only occasionally have to put up with his continued attempts to derail every thread he comments on. I find it amusing that he should start a thread about something he excels at. He will be starting one about only using Pat Chapman's recipes next. I am pretty sure he has never used any others. Ah well, Empty Vessels etc lol
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Ha Ha Ha What a funny thread! Life at cr0 is so much more bearable since I have chosen to ignore Phil.
How odd that you should choose to "ignore Phil", yet spend your valuable time posting a message entirely devoted to his activities. Incidentally, although the first message is dated "10th April", and you might therefore be forgiven for thinking that the thread is new, you will find if you read the first message more carefully that it is actually two years old ...
I only occasionally have to put up with his continued attempts to derail every thread he comments on. I find it amusing that he should start a thread about something he excels at. He will be starting one about only using Pat Chapman's recipes next. I am pretty sure he has never used any others. Ah well, Empty Vessels etc lol
"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal."
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praise him with the clash of cymbals, praise him with resounding cymbals ;D
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Nurse? Nurse ?? NURSE???
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Ha Ha Ha What a funny thread! Life at cr0 is so much more bearable since I have chosen to ignore Phil. I only occasionally have to put up with his continued attempts to derail every thread he comments on. I find it amusing that he should start a thread about something he excels at. He will be starting one about only using Pat Chapman's recipes next. I am pretty sure he has never used any others. Ah well, Empty Vessels etc lol
Ten to ten in the morning? You started early mate ;) :D
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All, do feel free to keep your posts "off topic" as this is the "theme" of the thread :). However, if anybody feels the need to start throwing insults around as in some other recent threads, , no matter how well guised they might be, or persists in constantly side swiping an individual, do not be surprised if these posts suddenly disappear :o Take any issues you have with other members off the public boards. I am afraid that somehow a semblence of order now has to be restored, which i know will not please one or two.
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However, if anybody feels the need to start throwing insults around as in some other recent threads, , no matter how well guised they might be, or persists in constantly side swiping an individual, do not be surprised if these posts suddenly disappear :o Take any issues you have with other members off the public boards. I am afraid that somehow a semblance of order now has to be restored, which i know will not please one or two.
It certainly pleases me. Thank you, CH, for taking this very important step in restoring order to this forum.
** Phil.
P.S. Sorry, this is clearly an "on-topic" reply, but I can't be bothered to create a new thread :)
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+1
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The Duke of Wellington played cricket for Ireland.
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Any one ever created fire by friction. Rubbing two sticks together.?
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All, do feel free to keep your posts "off topic" as this is the "theme" of the thread :). However, if anybody feels the need to start throwing insults around as in some other recent threads, , no matter how well guised they might be, or persists in constantly side swiping an individual, do not be surprised if these posts suddenly disappear :o Take any issues you have with other members off the public boards. I am afraid that somehow a semblence of order now has to be restored, which i know will not please one or two.
CH my apologies. I'm glad you jumped in and put me in my place. Sorry also to Phil for my childish comments. I promise to behave from now on. At the end of the day, we are all entitled to our own opinions; and just because we have one doesn't mean we have to express it.
Regards
mick
Respect to the New Moderator ????????
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Any one ever created fire by friction. Rubbing two sticks together.?
Well... we've spent the last few days here creating fire by forum ;)
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Sorry also to Phil for my childish comments.
Thank you Mick. Apology accepted without reservation.
** Phil.
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Joke: "Apology accepted without reservation"... isn't that what Geronimo said? ::)
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Joke: "Apology accepted without reservation"... isn't that what Geronimo said? ::)
It took me a while to get that, but now that I do, I like it ! But do you remember this guy (http://www.californiaindianeducation.org/famous_indian_chiefs/dan_george/) in The Outlaw Josey Wales starring Clint Eastwood ? One of my all-time favourite characters, the Chief, particularly his r
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Dan George- yes! Good man. Was that a western / civil war 'fusion' story or am I confusing it with something else...?
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Dan George- yes! Good man. Was that a western / civil war 'fusion' story or am I confusing it with something else...?
Sounds a fair (if short) pr
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I had hoped that the the two threads that CH now proposes to lock, both of which I felt to be in bad taste, had finally been laid to rest; sadly I awakened today to find that both had been resurrected, adding nothing to the reputation of this forum. I therefore completely concur with the idea of locking them, but would suggest that CH go further and delete both (after archiving, of course) -- they have served their purpose, we-the-people have been allowed to express our views, and that should be sufficient.
Posted under "Off-topic replies" since I don't want to contribute further to either of those threads. I would also be happy for this sub-thread to be deleted if/when the two main threads are deleted,
** Phil.
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I also propose - and not for the first time - that Phil, or anyone else for that matter, is banned from changing thread titles half way through a thread. Bloody annoying it is! >:(
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I also propose - and not for the first time - that Phil, or anyone else for that matter, is banned from changing thread titles half way through a thread. (moderated) annoying it is! >:(
One is deeply saddened by the news of your annoyance, covert St Nicholas, and even more saddened to realise than one may, no matter how inadvertently, have been its cause; but the fact remains that the forum software configuration allows the very action to which you object, and some members (myself included) consider it a Very Useful Feature [TM]. May I respectfully suggest that you add a new thread under "Forum Administration" / "Suggestions for Improving the Site" calling for its removal ? You could even add a poll to that effect :)
** Phil.
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We should have a poll to see whether he should have a poll.
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Or a poll to see if onions should have a poll ........
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And a friendly warning, i'm tired of moderator reports about drivel and off topic stuff being posted in threads >:( So think before you post because if it isn't very much on topic, it won't be there very long ::). Sorry, but i have limited time at my disposal and i really don't need to be reading through drivel and dross that barely relates to the topic it has been posted in.
Rant over...........but i am serious ;)
"Physician, heal thyself". What on earth has the above to do with the thread topic in which you elected to post it ("Achieving BIR Quality Curry (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php/topic,13826.msg119343.html#msg119343)".)? If you want others to stay focussed and on-topic, then for Christ's sake have the commonsense to set a good example rather than a bad precedent.
** Phil.
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Yep, I read it as well and I'm quite happy for it to happen even admitting that I've been responsible in the past for starting off topic drivel. Perhaps we could post our of topic replies in this thread and then just place a link in the proper thread that should stay on topic. Then there'll be minimum disruption and everyone will be happy. And an example which links to this drivel I've just typed.......
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OTR
http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php/topic,11827.msg119360.html#msg119360 (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php/topic,11827.msg119360.html#msg119360)
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Seymour Papert and the Logo language loved the recursive loop. It was, and still is, a very useful programming tool. Nice to see it here in a simple form Gav.
Phil, I also saw CH's post, but in light of recent event's / emotion / posts, chose to read it and take note, cut some slack and accept it for what it is. You clearly didn't. If everybody was restricted to posting only thread exact relevance replies, this forum (all forums) would stagnate and ferment or simply die. It is impossible to not post a tangential thought at times and I'm pretty sure your guilty of same at some point. Unfortunately it is a self -generating flaw in the internet forum structure. A bit like malware and viruses. We don't like them but we must manage it as best we can.
Oops, I should not have posted this reply here. It's on topic. Or is it? Where should I have posted it?
Should be soon.
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RE JB's Gravy
Ive used this recipe three or four times now but I personally get better results using abdulmohed2002's Enhanced Gravy so Im reverting back to that for the time being. I have persevered with Jb's takeaway base gravy for a while to give it a fair chance.
I have always struggled to get the early oil separation which I agree with BB is definitely a bad omen. Might try adding the fried garlic tarka at the end though as I was impressed by that
Regards
Mick
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Chicken Enchiladas
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What on earth has the above to do with the thread topic in which you elected to post it
And i would suggest you take the advice you offered me and ask this question of yourself Phil, each time, before you are tempted to press the post button.
Damn, i seem to be on topic, or am i :-\
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Great looking food there from Loveitspicy and Livo, how nice to see the thread back on track. Will PM you Livo 8)
Sverige, as it was yourself who managed to derail the latest thread after my on posted reply to StuPot, this you followed by your personal attack and then you post the above? Why?
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You should read the PM he just sent me. ROFLM**O. Joined up 6 months ago. Has posted diddly squat about curry.
185 posts in as many days (his entire membership period give or take a few days). Apparently not one of the posts of any meaningfulness to the primary topic of the forum at all, and claims to have recently cooked 35 curries over a single weekend without a single photograph or story about it to put up on a Curry Forum Website he visits daily to butt in on.
Yeah right. I'm in.
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Livo, might be a good idea to contact CH, how you proceed if it's a direct attack CH should help out I'm sure.
Phil brought this very subject up in a recent post, members and mods should not have to put up with direct message bullying tactics.
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I'm not concerned or worried and I wouldn't bother CH with the feebleness of it. There is no personal attack that I find abusive or troublesome. It's just so amusing and funny to have him / her try to tell me how to suck eggs. I have responded and explained that I am not likely to pay much attention to his / her request that I cease and desist from posting simply because he / she wants me to.
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LC why didn't you suggest livo contact George rather than ch, he is still moderator
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Good point MA, and a good suggestion also.
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It would have made no difference to me who was suggested as the moderator or even a generic use of the term. It is not worthy of any punitive or investigative actions.
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Mmm, i'm surprised not to have seen a "report to moderator" message come in after an ad hominem attack ???
And the relevance of that remark to 'What is the "Bhoona" (or "Bhuna", or "Bhunao") Technique used in Indian Cooking?' is what, exactly ? Or is it only others who are required to remain on-topic, while you may clutter up threads with " totally non related off topic drivel" with impunity ?
Since, following the departure of George as moderator, I no longer receive either feedback on, or thanks for, my use of the "Report to moderator" button, I have more-or-less given up bothering except in the most extreme of cases. The bitch-fighting that now overshadows everything else on this forum just plays into the hands of CA and his cronies, but if that is what the majority want, then so be it.
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It's beyond my "generally accepted" terms of reference as moderator to delete this thread or any thread. A few members here would be the first people to leap in and criticise me for breaking my own policy and deleting a thread.
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I would look upon my post, as would many, as a gentle hint to use the "report to moderator" button, which you yourself have suggested and were so fond of using regularly ;) It is one line in a long post which is on topic unlike your deleted contribution. If it pleases you I will moderate it. I agree it would be great if we kept all the drivel in one post, and here seems the ideal home. It will cut my work down until, suddenly it ceases to be convenient ::)
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Mmm, i'm surprised not to have seen a "report to moderator" message come in after an ad hominem attack ???
Follow-up in "Off-topic replies (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php/topic,11827.msg119804.html#msg119804)", which is clearly where the above should have appeared.
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In an attempt to do my part in keeping all threads on track, I shall respond to all off-topic replies in this thread....
Do try and stop spitting the dummy, Phil. You created the 'Off-Topic Replies' thread for your own purposes as you make clear in your opening statement.
The status quo has changed, and the sooner everyone gets used to that situation, the better for all concerned.
Curry recipes is the name of the game and, as loveitspicy's recent 'Josephine' thread has demonstrated, talking about other food is OK as well. Let's just get on with it and leave the one upmanship behind.
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I would look upon my post, as would many, as a gentle hint to use the "report to moderator" button, which you yourself have suggested and were so fond of using regularly ;)
Yes, I made regular use of it when George was moderator, and occasionally received his thanks for so doing. I continued to do so once you became moderator, but it has become increasingly clear that no further thanks will be forthcoming, so there seems little point in continuing as it feels ever more like p1ss1ng in the wind.
It is one line in a long post which is on topic unlike your deleted contribution. If it pleases you I will moderate it.
Please do. At least then you will not be guilty of double standards.
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I am currently the sole moderator and have been for ONE day. George only quit yesterday!!! Unlike you and many others, i work full time and have a life outside of this forum. If you wanted feedback on my actions to your reports, you only had to ask. I am not a mind reader. I log all actions taken to reports and then close them. Once they are closed i cannot see them anymore so i can't even provide historical data for you.
Given the current situation, i need as much help as possible. Members acting in accordance with the forum rules would considerably help, but currently the dust is still settling and i am having to do far more moderating than i want to . However, I can sense from your tone and your posts no help will be forthcoming from yourself, as you obviously don't approve of now having your off topic posts deleted, as many should have been in the past, but weren't ::)
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I would like a nicely framed certificate and a 5'er every time I use the button please CH. Thank you for your future compliance to this request and payment in AUS$ will be fine so it's actually pretty good after exchange rate. ;)
Oh blast, I've done it again and gone and posted an on-topic reply in the Off-topic Replies thread. This whole Off-topic replies thread has got me on-topic when I don't want to be. It's very confusing and smacks of Catch 22 to me.
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you obviously don't approve of now having your off topic posts deleted, as many should have been in the past, but weren't ::)
No, what I don't approve of is your double standards. It is fine for you to include off-topic material in your replies, but if another member dares to challenge its relevance, then that challenge is deleted whilst your own off-topic material is allowed to remain. It is a sad fact that the great respect in which I once held you has now been completely destroyed -- you may still be a great curry chef, but as a moderator I see only CA re-born.
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Moderators messages within any threads are pretty much the norm on other boards I frequent, so I wouldn't really class them as being off topic.
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Hear, Hear.
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you obviously don't approve of now having your off topic posts deleted, as many should have been in the past, but weren't ::)
but if another member dares to challenge its relevance, then that challenge is deleted whilst your own off-topic material is allowed to remain. It is a sad fact that the great respect in which I once held you has now been completely destroyed -- you may still be a great curry chef, but as a moderator I see only CA re-born.
The only one i see complaining currently is you Phil. Obviously you don't like your wings being clipped :-\. All the time you continue to post in here you have no worries, it's only when you stray outside you'll need to make sure you're on topic ;)
Now i'm not even sure whether i'm on topic or off topic.
As for my curry cooking skills, they're no different to the majority of many members on here and probably not as good some :(
I used to only come here to read and post about curries. Sadly those fond memories are becoming distant :'( Such is a moderator's lot. George certainly now has my sympathy for what he has endured over the years. But i doubt i'll be alone for ever ;)
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Obviously you don't like your wings being clipped
I've already told you what I don't like, CH -- your double standards. It is as simple as that. You disrupt the bhunao thread by a totally off-topic comment concerning the "Report to moderator" button, then have the confounded impudence not only to object when a member challenges you for being off-topic but to delete that objection and abuse your powers as moderator in so doing. Yes, I am the one challenging you now, because I can already see what shape your despotic rule will take, but others who are prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt for now will soon follow when they realise what a tyrant you really are.
And in your reply, do /please/ try to express yourself without using the ridiculous assortment of emoticons ("smileys" "snideys") that accompany your every post.
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Is the cr0 forum dying "It is now"
Sadly too true, Noble Ox.
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And here may be a big part of the reason.
Hmm, it's terribly disrespectful to disagree with a moderator...
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Is the cr0 forum dying "It is now"
Sadly too true, Noble Ox.
** Phil.
And here may be a big part of the reason.
Hmm, it's terribly disrespectful to disagree with a moderator...
I would respectfully suggest, Livo, that there is a considerable difference between disagreeing with a moderator and confronting a despot.
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...especially with a four and-a-half year gap in between them! ;)
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Thai Pork Omelette recipe (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Thai-Style-Pork-Omelette-Thai-Recipe/181727634150?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140107083358%26meid%3D40b986d53ee843d88c6a9d09f1df757d%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D181719304420)- ha! Money for old rope selling recipes eh. Any idea how much eight pence is in baht?
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Cheers. So it's 7.4 baht atm, with a Big Mac costing 179 ? :o
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The market is now closed. Someone felt it easier to pay 15 pence than to just Google a thai pork omelette recipe :o
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The market is now closed. Someone felt it easier to pay 15 pence than to just Google a thai pork omelette recipe :o
I hope that when the buyer receives the PDF, he or she is capable of reading the Thai script in which it is written -- it is, after all, a /Thai/ pork omelette recipe ...
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probably a bit of bid padding
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probably a bit of bid padding
"padding" as in Pad Thai, presumably ...
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;D ;D
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Sub-thread : "Why do some refer to the base sauce as 'garabi ?' (from 'Is it possible to over-cook a base ?' (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php/topic,13800.msg120383.html#msg120383))
What a load of bollocks! This is a curry forum, not a roast dinner forum. Ask any Indian what gravy is and they'll tell you its curry sauce. (In so many words) What gets me is that the handful of white guys using this word realise that not only does it sound odd in English to pronounce the vowel like you would in hay (gray-bee), it also sounds like you're taking the piss. So its changed to the sound like in have (grab-bee). And there ain't nowhere in the world people pronounce gravy like navvy. Savvy?
It is not at all clear to me, Frank, which part you regard as 'b@ll@cks'. I think that you would agree that in the Bengali language, there is no "v" phoneme, the nearest phoneme being "b" (no IPA available, so I use the nearest English equivalent); and I think that you would also agree that in Bengali there are no initial consonantal clusters, so the "gr" of "gravy" could not occur in any native Bengali word. So, for a L1 Bengali speaker, given the English word "gravy", the nearest that most can manage is "garabi". [1, 2]
This is no different to an English L1 speaker being asked to pronounce (for example) the Polish word "wydawnictwo" ("vee-dav-neats-tvo") -- as English does not contain the "tstv" consonantal cluster, the closest that most L1 English speakers will get is "vee-dav-neats-vo" or "vee-dav-neast-vo" and they will even /believe/ that that is what their Polish interlocutor is saying, so strange is the sound "tstv" to English ears.
Now if you ask an L1 Bengali speaker who is familiar primarily with BIR cuisine what "gravy" is, he or she will almost certainly describe curry base; ask an L1 Bengali speaker if he (or she) could "pass the gravy" at an English dinner party, and he or she will almost certainly not look for the curry base but will pass the meat-juice-based gravy as intended. But ask that same L1 Bengali speaker what it is that he or she has just passed, and the probability is very high (from the linguistic considerations outlined above) that he or she will say something similar to "garabi". [1, 2]
Livo : there is an earlier usage by CBM (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php/topic,93.msg31636.html#msg31636) in May 2009
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[1] Of course I exclude trained Bengali linguists and those who may have Bengali as L1 but who were brought up in an environment (such as Britain) where they are exposed both to the "v" phoneme and initial consonantal clusters while still acquiring their spoken language skills.
[2] I offer no opinion as to whether the second "a" of "garabi" is long or short when spoken by an L1 Bengali speaker; there is no a /priori/ reason why it should not be long (as in "Navy") but it might be felt better to render it as short "a" (as in "batter") for reasons of euphony.
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Thank you Phil, my search was by no means thorough, but I think we can conclude that CBM is most likely the creator of this new word, which for all intents and purposes is curry gravy.
I recall poor old Ms Hill trying to get our 1st Form class to master the "uvular rrr" required to speak French. We had some very wet lessons and eventually settled on counting to 10 in French and singing Frere Jacques or whatever it was, for a whole year. Personally I could never get the gender thing with some things being female and others male even though they were clearly neither.
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I knew I should've used brackets around the word curry. ::)
Phil, I don't care if there is no v in Bengali. We all know what they're trying to say, and the word is gravy. To say otherwise, is to mock them.
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/No-one/ is mocking ("them", or anyone else, Frank); we have simply adopted the common Bengali pronunciation of "gravy" as a convenient single word for "curry base". As I've said before in this context, it is hard to imagine a less likely group of people who would deliberately mock the speech of people from the sub-continent -- we are not lager-swilling louts who go into a BIR in order to have a fight : we love BIR food, and we love the people who produce it.
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I like lager. Not keen on fighting though. ???
Until someone comes up with a better explanation, I'll attribute responsibility for the use of this word, to CBM, in it's presently discussed form, and other than its use as a proper noun, ie Garabi, being a place or surname.
Whatever it is, I know that when I buy a curry, I get too much garabi and not enough under-developed poultry.
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http://youtu.be/eAQe42FnVks (http://youtu.be/eAQe42FnVks) Ali's explanation of the word Gravy/Garabi, please play @1:30 I'm making Ali's Gravy/Garabi at half scale today, so will post it up later with my thoughts on the gravy.if I get time!
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I recall poor old Ms Hill trying to get our 1st Form class to master the "uvular rrr" required to speak French. We had some very wet lessons and eventually settled on counting to 10 in French and singing Frere Jacques or whatever it was, for a whole year.
This very topic arose (in all places) in Amsterdam, where I was a part of a multi-lingual conference delegation. Some L1 English speakers including myself were discussing the correct (French) pronunciation of Simenon's hero Maigret. Some argued for 'May-Gray, others for May-'Gray (stress on first or second syllable being the only difference), so we asked Mme. Siebenmann, an L1 French speaker, which was correct. "Neither !", she said., emphatically. "But surely, Madame, it must be one or the other ?". "Non, it is May-GRay" (where the significant difference was the uvular R in the second syllable). To Mme. Siebenmann, stress placement was less important (though she did use 2nd-syllable stress) than the correct uvular-"R" phoneme.
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A load of the usual Blah Blah
Mountains out of mole hills again DP, Not Curry Sauce at all, Bangladeshi BIR Onion Gravy.
For all the members that have never been in a Bangladeshi BIR kitchen, but like to post there opinions.
Fast forward one of my old videos to 6.40 as I ask my Sylheti mate Naz, about the
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LC & Chewy, thanks for posting the links and I think that they both say exactly what others here have been saying, ie; "Gravy and Garabi, it is the same stuff". "it is onion gravy, it is just how the people say it... sort of a slang word really, that will do it".
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And just to reiterate the above posts from Chewy and LC, I've just been to see a friend of mines father who started cheffing at the beginning of the 80's and is now an owner.
What do you call the big pan of sauce you use to make curries with Abu?
Garabi.
When I explained the argument he said,
I suppose you could say gravy but we say ga-ra-bi.
So its not offensive?, for which he just laughed, looked at me strangely and asked if I would like a drink. :)
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What's not offensive? The word or a white guy repeating it back?
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What's not offensive? The word or a white guy repeating it back?
Neither.
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What about adding an accent to it? Does it then become offensive?
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Wouldn't in my eyes and I wouldn't say I add an accent to it. (apart from geordie) i would just say ga ra bi. Bit like saying coq au vin which would come out 'cock o van'
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Ok, so in that case I could string a whole sentence together, something along the lines, " vots that jew got in that pot, mite?" And as long as I say it with an English accent, then its perfectly acceptable. ;)
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What about adding an accent to it? Does it then become offensive?
Who mentioned accents? Why is that relevant? Like, the (English!) word curry isn't offensive, right: But if I go around saying 'cooray because I'm from Doodlay', then yeah, like every other word in the lingo it could be offensive.
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What about adding an accent to it? Does it then become offensive?
When I go to France, if someone asks my (Christian) name, I don't say "Je m'appelle Philip", I say "Je m'appelle Philippe ("PHEELEEP"); and I say it in the best French accent that I can manage. And I do so /to show respect/ for the people to whom I am speaking, because for them "Philip" is an difficult sound to make -- there is no short "i" in French. So if I know that a Bengali speaker would have trouble saying "gravy", then am I not also showing respect if I pronounce "gravy" as "garabi" when I speak to him or her ? And if I am, then why might I be thought to be mocking his/her pronunciation if I were then to use the same form when talking to English friends ? Mockery and respect have nothing to do with language or pronunciation, and everything to do with attitude of mind.
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I thought we were discussing the origins, definition and use of the word. How and when did we get to it being offensive or not?
Funny thing is that out here there is a real expression of amusement shown on the faces of the Indian shop proprietors when I go in and start asking for things which I then need to repeat several times along with hand gestures and explanation of the uses it is to perform, so they understand what I want. Silly white man. Trying to explain to one young guy that I wanted to buy a Tawa, I eventually had to tell him I wanted a plain steel chapatti pan. "Oh" he says. "You mean a Tarva." Not offensive to me or him. Not surprisingly though, the label clearly says "Tawa". The guy is near wetting himself asking me if I cook my own curries and shows absolute astonishment when I confirm this. I don't think he believed me till I showed him some photos on my phone. He knows me now and we have a good laugh.
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Give up phil.
If you was talking to a Bengali, then he/she will know exactly what you mean by gravy. And is that the only word in the whole sentence that you're going to change? And are you going to speak with a Bengali accent as well? Come on. ::)
p.s. I hate being called Fronk! >:(
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Give up phil.
If you were talking to a Bengali, then he/she will know exactly what you mean by gravy.
It's not the "knowing"; it's the "being able to replicate". Of course he/she will know what "gravy" means, if we are discussing BIR food as opposed to roast beef; but if I insist on pronouncing it "gravy" when I know that he/she is going to have difficulty with replicating that pronunciation, then I am indeed in danger of giving offence, because I am tacitly saying "listen to me, I can say the word properly", whereas if I adapt to his/her pronunciation then I am trying to ease the conversation and make it easier for both of us.
And is that the only word in the whole sentence that you're going to change? And are you going to speak with a Bengali accent as well? Come on. ::)
I can't speak with a Bengali accent because I am not sufficiently familiar with the language; but when (for example) I order "two chapati", I do my best to bring the sound as close as I can to to the sound that I know the waiter will make when he repeats my order, and I avoid the English plural "s" because I know that Bengali plurals are not formed that way. It's no different (to my mind) to trying to get the tones right when ordering dim sum in a Chinese restaurant; it shows respect to my hosts, whose language it is that I am trying to speak. OK, "garabi" is not a native Bengali word, but the English word "gravy" has been adopted by Bengali speakers and adapted to make it better fit Bengali phonological patterns, just as we have adopted thousands (literally) of words from the sub-continent and adapted them to better conform to English phonology (tiffin, veranda, bungalow, kedgeree, dungarees, gymkhana, pyjamas, coolie, chutney, bazaar, thug, chokey, amok, loot, ...) [see "Hobson Jobson" for thousands more].
p.s. I hate being called Fronk! >:(
Spell your name with an "i" ("Frinc") and the French will happily call you "Frank" :)
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Trying to explain to one young guy that I wanted to buy a Tawa, I eventually had to tell him I wanted a plain steel chapatti pan. "Oh" he says. "You mean a Tarva." Not offensive to me or him.
I have always called them "ta[r]va"s, and never understood why they are almost always spelled "tawa"s on this forum. Does anyone really really call them "tawa"s, or is it simply an idiosyncratic spelling ?
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It's not the "knowing"; it's the "being able to replicate". Of course he/she will know what "gravy" means, if we are discussing BIR food as opposed to roast beef; but if I insist on pronouncing it "gravy" when I know that he/she is going to have difficulty with replicating that pronunciation, then I am indeed in danger of giving offence, because I am tacitly saying "listen to me, I can say the word properly", whereas if I adapt to his/her pronunciation then I am trying to ease the conversation and make it easier for both of us.
Absolute poppycock!
That hole's getting so deep, you'll end up in CA's forum soon. :)
It's no different (to my mind) to trying to get the tones right when ordering dim sum in a Chinese restaurant;
And would you also ask for flied lice in your best tone?
I doubt it.
OK, "garabi" is not a native Bengali word..
Exactly! Gravy is an English word. If it was an Asian word, then there'd be no complaints from anyone.
If you was in kolkata, nobody would have a problem with you asking for extra garaybee. (Although you might get an odd look, with them wondering why you didn't just say gravy)
And one last thing.
How would a Bengali/Indian/Pakistani spell gravy? ;)
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Since we're never going to agree about this, Frank, let us simply agree to differ. To the best of my knowledge, I have never used the word "garabi" other than in the context of this thread, but if I /were/ to use it, then it would most certainly not be with the intention of causing offence.
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Sub-thread : Muzak overlay on BIR documentary videos
Or.........Phil could google 'how to mute a YouTube video'.....
It would a lot more help if those such as Garp who cannot appreciate a documentary video /without/ a muzak accompaniment could Google how to play a suitably mind-numbing CD on their CD player at the same time as watching a Youtube video so the rest of us (who prefer our documentaries unaccompanied) do not have to suffer the agonies of muzak while watching what might otherwise be a very interesting documentary ...
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You could just mute the volume of course
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What's a CD?
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What's a CD?
Oh CD ;) :D
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Over here I say Tawa with a "w" and Gravy with a "v".
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Sub-thread : Muzak overlay on BIR documentary videosLovely video again, Bob. Hopefully the music will be more to Phil's liking this time ;)
Thanks Garp apparently not to phils liking he doesn't like music on them! He could mute the volume down and read the titles happen.
It's not so much "don't like" (although I willingly confess that I don't); it is "don't understand why it is there in the first place". If I want to listen to music, I go to a concert, or turn on Radio 3, or put a CD into the audio system, and sit down and listen. If I want to learn about BIR cookery, I read this forum. There is no connection whatsoever between the two activities, and I am completely unable to understand why anyone would seek to conflate the two.
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Hmmm? Let's see? H4ppyLeader's dulcet tones, the bubbly bouncey "Namaste" of vahchef or a bit of open source musak. Tough choice, and there are pros / cons to all 3. Here's an alternative idea. What about wildlife sounds? Or perhaps some whale song? That would be very soothing.
Can anybody do requests? I'd like a little bit of "African Sanctus" or "Obscured by Clouds" please. Maybe it should be Ravi Shankar accompanied by Alla Rakha. This would set the mood but copyright is a problem with hosting sites though. I plug the headphones in but don't wear them.
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What is the deal with the recent multiple appearances of new members who make a couple of absolutely nonsensical posts and then disappear? :o :o The nature and wording of the last 3 or 4 in about a month would suggest it's the same person, but I don't understand the point they are trying to make at all.
I have never seen this before on any forum I have subscribed to using. Very unusual.
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[Caveat lector : this reply is on-topic] They are spammers-in-waiting; the posts are almost certainly placed by spam-bots, checking that their spammer-in-waiting accounts are activated. I use "Report to moderator" as soon as they appear.
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Well, you would at least hope that the spam-bots could make their entrance posts at least a little bit amusing.