Quote from: ELW on December 27, 2011, 02:11 PM
Hi ifindforu, ok, I will give your base a try when I have space in my freezer & will report back to you ..its going to be the last base i make for a while

Have you ever cooked a dish with this base, without the mix powder?

ELW

yes I have BUT it mixproved very much when used the spice mix I basicly had a BIR OR T/A curry but made at home

Quote from: ELW on December 27, 2011, 01:37 PM

QuoteELW,

a while back i had it in my mind to try a "spice journey" as this was an area i'd not done justice to. i'd taken note of ~19 off mix powders off the site and made most. all essentially disappoint. yes there are a few that are quite good and the mouchak is one example, kushi is another.

i already had an inkling that the brand (or specific mix/ingredients) was important - i would not use either made (and i'd made a lot of variations post KD1) or bought garam until ashoka forced my hand on the East End Brand which i now keep on stock. i also make the tgad garam for use in base and pilau.

the mix powder won't make a huge difference if the rest is not right - it's a sort of ~1 percenter in overall terms but it become a significant factor the closer you get to the goal.

Hi JerryM, the Ashoka stuff has raised more questions for me than answers. I used Panpots reports & recipies, & your own test results to lay my own foundations in creating bir@home, as being a chain should have provided common ground...bir taste is definately in ashoka t/a & restaurants..but not in my attempts.Its a pity panpot doesn't post any more, as this is by far the best account of a bir kitchen experience i have read. judging by his posts, he took in all the important stuff, but he did say he never tasted the base on its own.  I frequently get their t/a menu through my door, which states different ingredients here & there to the kitchen report
I don't think the brand of curry powder used in the base was stated, but he did mention the chef was keen to use East End brand..no mix powder stated either..Bunjara, assuming i've made it correctly hints at the flavour, but I think it smells better than it tastes, G&G paste is definately ashoka. Im going to stick with these recipies for the moment & look into those catering curry powders(what to do with 10kg??)..I enjoy reading your findings, it's a similar approach i take

Regards
ELW

every night i go into work i dip my finger in the guravy to taste I KNOW the taste and through observation
and questions came up with what i think is the same guravy as my T/A guravyIt has so many things in it you need to try you wont look back [urlhttps://curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=7621.0][/url]

Quote from: curryhell on December 27, 2011, 12:23 PM

Quote from: ifindforu on December 27, 2011, 12:00 PM

Quote from: curryhell on December 27, 2011, 11:39 AM
Ifindforu, does your restaurant mix powder that was available on e-bay contain Jalpur garam masala or an adapted gm?

it uses Jalpur I fetched it for him so we buy it local in a pakistani  c/c we buy it in 375 grms  ?4.99

Thanks for confirming that Terry.  I now just need to find a source for the Jalpur gm .  I can feel a trip to Green Street coming on  ;D

you wont regret it

Quote from: curryhell on December 27, 2011, 11:39 AM

Quote from: ifindforu on December 27, 2011, 10:32 AM
from my post /99% OF BIR OR T/A THEY BUY IT OR THEY KNOW HOW TO MAKE THE SMELL LIKE IT WHICH THEY WONT DISCLOSE  that was my claim I did not say they all buy the JALPUR brand, once you see the ingredients you could make similar smelling masala I cant get EASTERN STAR in any c&c but in a super large outlet yes.So for that reason I make my claim /please dont be so suspicious but yes,they get different tastes in each BIR
using different make  curry powder which I said
BUT the masala method is the same trust me.Ask Abdul Mohed if he is truthfull he will cofirm/they buy any
garam masala then add  more spices to it to get a smell and taste similar to Jalpur

Ifindforu, does your restaurant mix powder that was available on e-bay contain Jalpur garam masala or an adapted gm?

it uses Jalpur I fetched it for him so we buy it local in a pakistani  c/c we buy it in 375 grms  ?4.99

Quote from: ELW on December 27, 2011, 01:59 AM
One element contributing to the bir taste, may lie in an unknown. which is the catering size blends of curry powder. In the Uk these are supplied by a relatively small amount of suppliers, there are maybe 6 different brands suppling the industry in Glasgow,which is a large city, & possibly all of Scotland.This may be  a reason why the 'taste' is widespread but slightly different per region. Chinese takeaways are probably a good indicator of brand. There is no Jalpur Garam Masala, no  Eastern Star Curry powder in the Asian C&C's in Glasgow, so the claim that 90% of bir use it should be taken with a pinch of Garam Masala.  There is however, Rajah Gold(which Ifindforu previously stated was used by most t/a??) Eagle brand, Curry King, Ship Brand & a few others
Check your largest local asian C&c's for the 10kg range of catering curry powders...those will likely be the ones your bir use in their mix powder, if they even have one. (Ashoka, as witnessed by Panpot, use mainly East End spices & no mix powder although Im not sure of the curry powder brand in the base?)

JerryM / PaulP ,your excellent testing results of the goods, any goods. normally pre empts the questions in my head..keep it coming..but beware the men behind the curtain keeping themselves relevant  for one reason or another asala method is the same

Regards / Merry Christmas/Happy Year
ELW

from my post /99% OF BIR OR T/A THEY BUY IT OR THEY KNOW HOW TO MAKE THE SMELL LIKE IT WHICH THEY WONT DISCLOSE  that was my claim I did not say they all buy the JALPUR brand, once you see the ingredients you could make similar smelling masala I cant get EASTERN STAR in any c&c but in a super large outlet yes.So for that reason I make my claim /please dont be so suspicious but yes,they get different tastes in each BIR
using different make  curry powder which I said
BUT the masala method is the same trust me.Ask Abdul Mohed if he is truthfull he will cofirm/they buy any
garam masala then add  more spices to it to get a smell and taste similar to Jalpur

VV

Quote from: Razor on December 24, 2011, 10:37 PM
Who is Les?

HA HA HA

Quote from: hotstuff09 on December 24, 2011, 10:17 PM
Am I dreaming or on some earlier thread somewhere, It was said that this spice mix had no haldi (turmeric) in it.
Sorry Terry, no offence, but I am just a tad confused

HS

NO LES CANT REMEMBER SAYING NO HALDI AS HALDI IS IN THE CURRY POWDER BUT AFTER SPEAKING WITH MY BOSS
HE TOLD ME THE SPICE MIX HE MAKES AND ITS AS IVE PUT DOWN ITS JUST CLEARING UP EARLIER POSTS,  BUT THIS IS IT. DO NOT REDUCE THE GARAM MASALA BUT ONE COULD INCREASE IT , IF YOU FEEL YOU WANT TO REDUCE THE OTHER THEN FEEL FREE TO DO SO
AS EXPERIMENTING WOULD BRING FRESH THOUGHTS TAKE CARE LES

Quote from: ELW on December 24, 2011, 09:53 PM

QuoteSORRY BUT ITS GOT TO BE JALPUR AND ONLY THAT FOR THE BIR TASTE OTHERWISE NATCO WOULD BE GOING BACKWARDS SORRY

Hi Ifindforu, sorry i should have made that post clear, I think, although not entirely sure, that Jalpur supply Natco with spices to make Natco products - supplying wholesale to wholesale

ELW

THATS OK MY FRIEND THEY ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER. NOW WE ALL NEED TO BE. CURRY FOR ALL

Quote from: PaulP on December 24, 2011, 09:29 PM
The link to ebay for the Jalpur gm seems to be inactive or completed.

It looks like you can buy it direct and in not too large quantities:

http://www.jalpurmillersonline.com/proddetail.php?catid=150&prdid=5811

Cheers,

Paul

GOOD ON YOU PAUL IVE UPDATED WITH YOUR LINK IN MY POST,, THANKS THAT PRICE IS CHEAP BUT THATS THE ONE I USED TO MIX YOUR SPICE AND YOU KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE.ITS ONLY FORWARD IN THIS FORUM