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#831
Actually, one thing I forgot to mention is that the two curries that were identical other than the base, tasted completely different. Barely similar. I'm quite surpised at this to be honest, I thought most good bases (which I would say both of these are) would yield similar results...

Well they dont.
#832
Quote from: Domi on March 10, 2008, 11:16 AM
or should I try the saffron? choices! choices! it's almost as bad as shoe shopping for me :-[ ;D

Thanks Domi, yeah, for sure, please do try Saffron and report back. It's would be good to hear how you think it compares! 8)
#833
Quote from: Rai on March 10, 2008, 10:17 AM
Now now bobby, Im almost taking offence at that  ;)

I find it offensive you finding me offensive!
#834
Quote from: Rai on March 10, 2008, 10:05 AM
Bobby, maybe you burnt or undercooked something?  Darth's base does not have a raw taste.  At least it doesnt when Ive made it.  Nor does it have a striking taste of green pepper.

I can follow a recipe and have enough cooking experience to tell when I've either burnt or overcooked a dish. She meant raw as in unrefined, not uncooked, which perhaps I should have clarified. I would agree with this.

I would suggest that the reason it does not come across as having an unrefined taste to you, is because you do not have a more refined effort to compare it with.

Quote from: Rai on March 10, 2008, 10:05 AM
Your taste buds sure seem to be doing cartwheels there Bobby ;)

That's the whole motivation for this thread. If I knew which I preferred straight off, why all this effort?

Quote from: Rai on March 10, 2008, 10:05 AM
Lies, damned lies and statistics secret santa.

I don't see any statistics.

Quote from: Rai on March 10, 2008, 10:05 AM
You simply want to prove your point.

Is that you speculating again? ;)
#835
Quote from: smokenspices on March 09, 2008, 05:25 PM
Personally, I'd prefer a base that is versatile (for most curries). If I were to have Madras style most of the time (which I don't), I think I may be more inclined to try/use Darth's base.

My vote was for Saffron, then after a great Madras, it changed to Darth. After side by side comparison, Saffron is better for a Bhuna and so I'm told, is far more versatile.

I'm not interested in making a dedicated Madras style sauce as I'm convinced this is anti-BIR. To be honest I expect Saffron to win the side by side comparison anyway but I will judge with an open mind (and my flatmate who will be involved in the tasting will have no idea which is which).

My vote will be changed back to Saffron independent of the results as I don't actually think, after what's been said, that Darth's 100 Percent even qualifies as a base sauce :-\

#836
Quote from: mike travis on March 09, 2008, 05:38 PM
I notice you use cracked Cardamom pods...
Any advice?  ;D

I think it does add that Cardomomy taste a little more, which I really like, especially in a curry like Bhuna. I stick it right in the hot oil and have had no trouble with this method. I think it's pretty resilient to burning.
#837
I had a McDonald's last night so the Madras was off the cards. Tonight however, I will try the Madras comparison with an open mind. I think I'll use CA's Madras recipe, as I think adding Passata adds another variable. What do you think?
#838
Quote from: Jethro on March 09, 2008, 03:48 PM
it suits the hotter more robust curry, not a mild dry curry like Bhuna should be.

In my eyes, a good base should be versatile. The way you put it leads me to look at Darths base as more of a hot curry sauce than a base. Also, there's not a huge difference between that Bhuna recipe and a Madras. Just a little green pepper, tomato and garam masala.

That said, I've still got both bases defrosted for use tonight. It was going to be Bhuna again but now it's gonna be Madras ;D
#839
Having made many base sauces, the new base from Saffron and the Darth 100 Percent Madras Clone are, in my mind, the two best recipes to date.

At first, I preferred Saffron. Then after an excellent curry making weekend, I jumped ship and decided that Darths base was indeed superior.

Since I had them both in my freezer, and they are both relatively fresh, I decided this weekend, to put them head to head, in the base off to end all base offs.

Ideally for comparisons sake, I would have made two identical Chicken Madras but since my girlfriend was involved in the judging panel, I resorted to making two otherwise identical Chicken Bhunas.

Here are the ingredients laid out on my living room table.

Saffron vs. Darth 100 Percent Madras Clone base sauce comparison (illustrated)

The Bhuna recipe I used was delicious and went as follows. This serves one.

Ingredients

Stage 1

1 cracked green cardamom pod
1/2 a small onion finely chopped
1/4 green pepper finely chopped
1 tsp garlic paste
1/4 tsp salt

Stage 2

1 tbsp tomato puree
1 tsp Spice Mix
1/4 tsp chilli powder
1/4 tsp dried fenugreek

Base sauce (I cant say exactly but you should be able to figure it out)
1 medium sized breast of chicken (cooked)
2 quarters of a fresh tomato
1/2 tsp garam masala
1 tbsp fresh coriander chopped

Here are the ingredients chopped and the two base sauces laid out on my living room table. Darth?s is on the left (the browner of the two as it contains no tomatoes)

Saffron vs. Darth 100 Percent Madras Clone base sauce comparison (illustrated)

Cover the base of your curry pan with sunflower oil and heat until extremely hot.

Add all the ingredients from stage 1 in the order provided, stirring and shaking so as to avoid burning. Once the onions start to change colour (around 1 minute) remove the pan from the heat.

Add all the ingredients from stage 2 and place the pan back on the heat. Shake and stir vigorously to avoid burning the spices.
Add half the base sauce and let most of the water evaporate off. Add  the chicken and coat it fully in the mixture. Add the rest of the base sauce and Garam Masala and stir. Once you have the right consistency, add the fresh coriander and serve.

Results

At this point you should note that I used the Darth method to cook the chicken. I like this because its simple and it works.

So, I dished out two plates with pilau rice, the Bhuna with Saffron base and the Bhuna with Darths base. My girlfriend and I then sat down to bear judgement upon the unsuspecting curries. The Saffron base is at the bottom here and the Darth at the top.

Saffron vs. Darth 100 Percent Madras Clone base sauce comparison (illustrated)

And the winner is...

Saffron, unanimously.

When quizzed, my girlfriend described it as being more "subtly spiced" and "well balanced" than its competitor, which she described as having a ?raw? taste.

I would say that the Darth base had quite a strong taste, was too thick and dominated the dish too much. I would also say that the taste of green pepper from the base is a little striking.

So now back to the cooker to fill the freezer with another batch of Saffron.  8)
#840
Rai, I think you should perhaps be more careful with your tone. I know you're just having some banter but a few of your posts come across borderline offensive. I have, in the past, found myself in a  similar position but soon realised that I got on far better when I got to know members a little better, rather than running the risk of needlessly irritating and offending them.

I hope I'm not overstepping my mark :-\