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#781
Quote from: curryqueen on February 15, 2005, 11:08 AM
Another question Pete.

During the cooking process did they tip the pan and set light to the oil? If you were to go again to the Bengali, just out of interest, what would your next dish be cook? I think I would have to try the "vindaloo" one of my fave's!
They shake the pan all the time.
There are little bursts of flames as they do this.
And yes, I would like to see a Vindaloo or Madras made
#782
Quote from: curryqueen on February 14, 2005, 05:55 PM
Hi Pete, I am going to have a go at this, but, I am going to use the gravy from the Tandoori magazine seeing as I have just made a batch end of last week. I am sure that "the flavour" will be there if the oil from the gravy is used, I can almost smell it now.

How many tablespoons do you think made up their ladle they used?

Probably about four tablespoons.
If that's too much, you can always pour a bit away at the end.
#783
Replies:-
CK :
It was a better all round curry from a composition point of view.
But I felt it lacked  "the" flavour
I think that was because the base was too new and they hadn't browned garlic ginger puree at the start of making it.
Mark:
See above. A cup was probably about 200ml.
He said it was vegetable ghee but his english was limited.
Maybe it was butter ghee.
The oil was NOT from the top of the curry gravy.
It was from an old ghee container balanced on the stove.
If he had used the old curry gravy and oil from it, I am sure it would have been a better curry.
When he fried with the curry gravy he evaporated just about all of it.
Curryqueen:
They offered a clipboard with A4 sheets for notes, but I had a book of my own.
They expect you to take notes
They give no typed notes




#784
I arrived an hour early and the wind was freezing
I found Brick Lane easily, it?s only an eight minute walk from Aldgate East tube station.
I negotiated the area in an attempt to kill time.
Although these parts of London  have a certain earthy charm, I must admit, that I permanently felt like a potential mugging victim.
Eventually I decided to call on Bengal Cuisine , a little earlier than planned.
The restaurant has a roomy clean atmosphere.
Very pleasant.
Everything had been arranged by e mail, and I needed to meet my contact, Sharif.
Within five minutes I was eating a complimentary poppadom with four chutney accompaniments.
Soon after I was led down some steps to the basement.
This is where their kitchen is situated.
There is a long, central, stainless steel table which spans nearly the length of the room.
Vegetables, prawns and takeaway cartons are all placed here.
The gas cooker and the tandoor run parallel to the table.
I expected to see a grinder for the curry gravy, but was surprised by a  conventional jug blender instead.
I saw it used as well.
The cooker had about ten gas rings and there was newspaper sheets placed underneath them.
Probably to catch the spraying oil!
Above the cooker were many well used blackened pots, pans and woks.
On the cooker was large pot of the fabled curry gravy.
It?s dark, red oil floating on top.
The chef dropped a ladle to the bottom of it?s pot, and a bright yellow sauce broke the surface.
It was like a thin soup.
He smiled at my surprised expression.
As usual, next to the stove were the yoghurt cartons full of the curry additions.
The layout was:-
Salt, garam  masala, ground almond, curry powder, chilli powder,chopped garlic,turmeric, sliced almonds, dried fenugreek, chopped fresh coriander, sliced chilli and coconut powder.
I had asked to see curry gravy made and I wanted to see a prawn rhogan josh cooked


And so ,with several staff observing, the demonstration began!

The Onion Gravy

Ingredients:-

2 large onions sliced
1 green pepper sliced
1 medium potato sliced
3 tablespoons Garlic ginger puree
1 carrot unpeeled chopped
1 cup of vegetable oil
? cup vegetable ghee
1 desertspoon salt
2 desertspoon turmeric
2 desertspoon of Pataks Kashmiri Masala
2 green chillies chopped
2 whole tomatoes from a can
Water equal to half the volume of the above
i.e. if the above comes to half way up the pot, then add a quarter of a pot of water

Boil the above for only ten minutes.
This is until you can see the sliced onion wilting
Now add:-

2 desertspoons of curry powder (rajah)
2 desertspoons of ground almonds
2 desertspoons of coconut powder
2 tablespoons of condensed milk

Cook another five minutes and then blend
The mixture is bright yellow
Add enough hot water to make it very runny
About half it?s volume again
This doesn?t look like your finished oily curry gravy but I was told with more oil, and longer cooking, it would.
As far as the chef was concerned, we had what we wanted.


Prawn Rhogan Josh

This is made using two pans
An 8 inch pan is used for the prawn part
A 5 inch pan is used for a sauce
The sauce is poured over the prawns at the finish

Ingredients:-

3 desert spoons of oil
1 tablespoon of finely chopped garlic
1 tablespoon finely chopped onion
? desertspoon tomato puree
1 teaspoon salt
1 desertspoon curry powder (rajah)
2 cups full of thawed cooked prawns

Add everything to the pan (except the prawns) in the order listed and shake vigorously and stir fry for about two minutes
Add the prawns and stir fry, shaking the pan.
The pan is kept very dry
Stir fry a couple of minutes more
Add a ladle of the curry gravy
Shake the pan
Stir fry till evaporated then add another ladle of curry gravy.
Put on simmer and stir from time to time
Total cooking time is about ten minutes.
The pan ends up being fairly dry

Five minutes from the end of the above, start cooking this sauce
This is cooked in a smaller pan (5 inch)

Ingredients 1:-

3 tablespoons of oil
1 desertspoon tomato puree
1 teaspoon salt
1 desert spoon curry powder (rajah)

Add the above to a pan and shake and stir vigorously
Cook for about two minutes then add

Ingredients 2:-

1 ladle of curry gravy
1 large tomato sliced in rings

Stir fry until the sauce dries a bit

Add another ladle of curry gravy, a pinch of dried fenugreek and some finely chopped coriander.
Simmer
Total cooking time is about five minutes.

Pour this sauce over the prawn curry cooked previously and serve.

Conclusion:-

This was a really worthwhile experience, and if I lived closer, I would do this again, very soon.
I have seen Kashmiri Masala on a few curry house shelves, but never heard of it being used in the curry gravy
That was a real eye opener
Dylan has used potato in his curry base, he was right!
I have never tried using ground almonds or coconut powder, either.
The curry gravy I saw made had a much fresher flavour to it.
I prefer the old ?boiled for hours? taste but I don?t think that comment would have been understood.
The curry itself, ironically lacked ?the flavour? we talk of, and had a home made feel.
I believe that this again, is down to the curry base being too fresh.
I have had this before in restaurants
You get it sometimes if you buy a curry on a Sunday when the main Curry gravy has only just been prepared.
Conversation is also very limited, due to language problems.
Two people speak English very well, but not the chef.
His English is minimal
So, fine cooking details, are not easy to clarify.
But you can see it done, and that does more than any words!
Everybody involved was extremely helpful and pleasant.
I would recommend anyone to go.
If you know very little, then it will help you.
If you know a lot, then you will know more.
Could ayone else that goes add to this thread, so we can build up some genuine recipes?
It's well worth ?25







#785
What they do is shake the pan vigorously so that the oil splutters go into the flames.
Their gas rings are wider than ours, so that is easier for them to do
You may need to tilt the pan
Be carefull
#786
I made the sauce last Saturday
I used it with some leftover frozen curries
It was excellent
I added a little more salt, a pinch of dried fenugreek and a little garlic ginger puree.
The combination of fresh cooked ingredients with old was one of the best I have had!
#787
The pan goes out by itself
I have seen it burn between five and thirty seconds.
Then it dies down
#788
Yes they do set fire to the pan.
Not everytime but quite often.
They heat the oil and add a little very finely chopped onion/pepper or garlic/ginger puree
This is cooked for about three minutes and the oil gets very hot because there is very little in the pan.
It's at this point they add a spoon of the curry gravy.
This splutters like mad and a sheet of flame goes up
Watch out if you try this, it is potentially very dangerous
Keep a damp teatowel nearby to smother the flame and watch out for your hair too!
They add more curry gravy, bit by bit, with diminishing burning results.

The other time they do a flame thing, is while the pan is simmering.
Their gas rings are larger than on a domestic cooker.
The flames creep up the side of the pan and the little splutters it makes keep producing little flames.
About the size of a match flame.

If your curries are lacking a little "depth" try this......it makes a big difference.
Make your curry gravy as usual.
Heat about three tablespoons of veg oil
Very finely chop 2 fat cloves of garlic. Get the bits really small
Fry them until brown (carefull not to burn)
Stir the oil and garlic into your curry gravy
Use the next day
This really gives a massive amount of extra flavour, and one that you should recognise



#789
Sorry Muttley
This thread dates back a couple of years when we were based on the "in2curry" forum
My post before, was the last two? quotes
Here is the address of the discussion
http://www.in2curry.co.uk/curry_chat/posts.asp?fTopicID=39
I expect there is a lot there that you know, but I'll be surprised if you don't find it interesting
This was before I spoke to a few chefs and actually got into the kitchens
One of the curry gravy recipes I got, is the main one that is posted here.
It's the "from a real takeaway" one, on the opening page.
I have since found out that there is not just one recipe
There are many variations
Two restaurants use chick peas in the base sauce
Quite a few use carrots
One uses carnation milk!
Their base sauce is a sickly yellow.
The reason I posted the recent "in2curry" quotes, was because I thought , that some interesting information might follow.

I am always looking to learn more.
I haven't tried your base yet, but what will make it good,are two elements.
1..... the garlic and ginger cooking on low for eight minutes. The browning flavour!!
2..... cooking for four hours.That will round the overall flavour and gives the oil something extra too.
You will find that if you can leave the sauce somewhere cool for a couple of days it will improve too.
They start making the base at about 4 o'clock in the afternoon and it is cooked all evening.
It is never used on the day of preparation.
I learnt from indian chefs that:-
All the meats, chicken, veg and lentils are precooked.
The prawns are kept in a large yoghurt container, in water in the fridge
I haven't managed to get a satisfactory Prawn Rogan Josh recipe yet.
I was dissapointed by David Smith's (Curryhouse) recipe
Have you got one?
In fact,using the base sauce, can you give me all your recipes?



#790
 

From:  Colin Smith
Posted: 28/12/2004 22:50:03
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Hi People, what a great site! I have read with interest some of your recipe's posted. I have purchased the books and been cooking Indian food for over 20 yrs. Help maybe at hand. I have managed to get a job delivering for my local Indian (Best takeaway I've ever tasted) and have managed to get into the kitchens! I am keeping an eye on what goes on and can tell you a little that has suprised me. 1) Base sauce very thin like very thin soup. 2) A very small amount of pureed onion and a minute amount of crushed Garlic goes into nearly all dishes before meat added. 3) They use Rajah packet Garam Masala. 4) Tandori Ovens give off a lot of heat. Grilling will not come close. I will keep you posted, but will post some authentic recipe's that are so simple, and I think even better than takeaway.


From:  Neil
Posted: 14/01/2005 18:57:11
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I have read a few comments here that suggest what we are all missing.SPICED Oil. I was lucky enough to spend an hour watching different curries being cooked in a well respected curry house. Everything was based on oil from this manky old looking pot with spices floating in it. I walked away knowing the types of ground spices to add(We all have them) but nobody seems to know what is in the Spiced Oil. Each meal took minutes to cook, and at the end most had flame from the hob introduced into the pan to remove the oil. I didnt see too many fresh ingredients, mainly powder, I have numerous recipes for the Onion sauce which gets my meals 70 % there. What about this Spiced Oil, is that the missing ingredient. Somebody post a suggestion please.

THE OIL HE IS TALKING ABOUT HAS GOT TO BE THE OIL FLOATING ON THE CURRY GRAVY.
COULD IT BE ANYTHING ELSE?