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#7591
Quote from: JerryM on November 20, 2010, 10:43 AM
given the interest in madras then please put down thoughts on what makes a decent  BIR madras for you.

i'd particularly appreciate thoughts based on direct experience of the 70's curry and even how we can retrace history. as an example i can remember on Wolverhampton market how there were no plastic bags of spice - they were all in tins. if you wanted a curry powder it would be made to order.
Well, I'm certainly old enough to remember curries in the 70's and even in the 60's, but I would be very hard pressed to try to answer your main question "what makes a decent  BIR madras for you ?".  The simple answer is, "I don't know" : it just tastes "right", with no one element dominating the others (this is even more the case when you move up the heat scale to vindaloo and Bangalore phal : it is vital in the last two that the chilli content does not become the only thing that one can taste).  What I do remember from the 60's and 70's is how much variation there was from BIR to BIR : this variation seems to have been almost completely ironed out, and although there are still (of course) good BIR, bad BIR, and simply average BIR, I do not think one still finds the same range of flavours for the same dish as one once did.

Oddly I have no recollection of curry powder ever being made to order, and I am not now speaking simply as a Southerner : I spent almost three years in Smethwick and the nearby Black Country, and made considerable use of the Indian shops as, at that time, they were the only ones to open on a Sunday !  I do remember trying to buy some lentils to make a dhansak, somewhere along the Hagley Road, and failing completely to explain what I wanted until I suddenly remembered the magic word "dhal".  All of a sudden I was surrounded by lentils, of every possible shape, size and colour, and a delighted shop owner who clearly appreciated the fact that at least some English people were willing to try to communicate in a language other than their own !

** Phil.
#7592
Lets Talk Curry / Re: Why do People Join this Forum?
November 20, 2010, 10:59 AM
Quote from: Cory Ander on November 20, 2010, 04:56 AM
So far, accessing recipes, ingredients and techniques seems to be the dominant motivator for joining the forum (at 41%) ... So far, no one seems to join the forum to access stuff they otherwise can't (at 0%)
But if you can't "access recipes, ingredients and techniques" without joining the forum, surely this automatically means that those same people are joining the forum "to access stuff they otherwise can't", does it not ?

** Phil.
#7593
Excellent, many thanks Panpot : my next chicken shall be pre-cooked in exactly this way  :)
** Phil.
#7594
Quote from: Secret Santa on November 19, 2010, 01:43 PM
f you're going to go to the effort of using quotes from dead languages you could at least have the decency to also stick to English and not wander off into Americanisms too!  It's alternative NOT alternate.   >:(
OMG, I used an Americanism without realising it  :o  It must be all this interaction with TasteTester about Burrito Supremes and the benefits of owning a set of kitchen scales.  Shades of Fowler, Gowers, Weseen and Onions, please forgive me : I promise never to sin in this unthinkable way again.

** Phil.
#7595
OK, all understood.  It seems to me that no matter how the forum is organised, not everyone will agree with the organisation ("Quot homines, tot sententiae"), and so one idea that might be considered is to cross-reference key posts under alternate headings.  For example, one theme that frequently recurs in discussions are the Ashoka recipes : if we stick with the current idea of partitioning them into bases, main courses, side dishes, etc., then there could also be a top-level theme (called, say, "Recipes by origin") under which there would be second-level threads called (say) "Ashoka Recipes", "Bruce Edwards' Recipes", ... which would not duplicate the existing entries but would simply containing a complete set of links to them.

Might this have merit, do you think ?

** Phil.
#7596
Quote from: Willyeckerslike on November 19, 2010, 12:23 PM
I think the recipies might already be posted here

;D  ;D  ;D

** Phil.

#7597
Quote from: Cory Ander on November 19, 2010, 07:51 AM
Quote from: Phil (Chaa006) on November 17, 2010, 06:34 PM
CA, do you have any recollection as to how it ended up under "#  Supplementary Recipes (Curry Powders, Curry Paste, Restaurant Spice Mixes) > # Supplementary Recipes (Spice Mixes, Masalas, Pastes, Oils, Stocks, etc) "  -- the note says you moved it there !

Yes, of course I do Phil.  The "Supplementary Recipes" section is precisely for that...recipes that "accompany/are additional to/compliment/etc" main dish recipes.  Precooking clearly falls into this category, in my opinion.

The "Hints' Tips, Methods, etc" section is duplication of various other sections of the forum and should be removed, in my opinion.

The forum structure is long due an overhaul to make it easier for members to navigate.  Over to Stew, then....

Hmm, I respectfully beg to disagree.  You have to really stretch the possible interpretations of "etc" in both "Supplementary Recipes (Spice Mixes, Masalas, Pastes, Oils, Stocks, etc)" and in "accompany/are additional to/compliment/etc" for pre-cooked chicken to legitimately fall into this category.

And where do you find your citation of 'recipes that "accompany/are additional to/compliment/etc" main dish recipes.' ?  I have just looked again, and I can still find no trace of those words.

** Phil.
#7598
Bring oil and gravy to a gentle boil (Kris suggests a rolling boil, but it will splash everywhere !), add ground chillies, salt and pre-cooked chicken (she pre-cooks in a little of the green sauce with oil, turmeric & paprika for about 10--15 mins), and keep at a gentle boil (see above) for about five minutes.  Reduce the heat, add the cumin & fenugreek, and cook for a further three minutes or so.  At this point I (but not Kris) add some chopped coriander stalks and cook for a further couple of minutes before removing the surplus oil (leaving a little to create the gloss), garnishing with coarsely chopped coriander leaves and serve.  Seems to go well with stuffed paratha, chapatti or pilau rice.

** Phil.
#7599
See here, Carl, but see also the final post as I forgot to list the oil in the original message.  My quantities are doubled twice in terms of Kris's book : double the quantity of sauce per unit weight of chicken, and double the quantities of spices per unit volume of sauce.

** Phil.
#7600
Lets Talk Curry / Re: we have cracked it.
November 17, 2010, 09:54 PM
Well done Alan : what more can one say ?!