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#701
Quote from: Curry King on October 20, 2010, 02:24 PM
Great posts JB, the whole chicken bones thing reminds me slightly of Petes chicken jelly posts!

I was trying to find the link to those earlier but I couldn't find them,I remember reading them a few years ago.Gonna try and do some cooking this weekend if I get the chance.

Admin I will post all the recipes in the relevant sections as well no problem,I have a few more posts to go here so hopefully by this weekend they should be done.Meanwhile I forgot here is a link to the curryhouse in question...


http://www.preemtilbury.co.uk/index.php
#702
A quick post before I have to return to work.I opened the fridge about 10.30 this morning and the smell of the bombay potato was just too much!!!  A quick blast in the microwave and it was quickly devoured!!!  A relative called in and said blimey your house smells like a curry house!!!  As it had been in the fridge a couple of days there was a settling of spicy orange oil in the bottom...the stuff that stains everything in sight and makes your fingers smell and stain as well.

On the subject of smell when I first entered the takeaway the smell immediately hit me as I walked in,that familiar takeaway/restaurant smell.I could really smell the dishes been cooked but the funny thing is after a while I couldn't smell it anymore,my senses must have got accustomed to it as I'm pretty sure it does when I cook at home.

I too was surprised that the manager had never heard heard of hing,or asofoetia as I explained to him.He was pretty certain on that,funny thing my chef who taught me at home had also never heard of it either.On Saturday kitchen the other week Madhur Jaffrey used it and I actually found it in my local Indian grocers,so whether it is normally used for home cooking I really don't know.

The onion /pepper mix he had was really well cooked down and soft in texture.When it was added to the madras it just seemed to melt away if that makes sense with no big chunks.When the chef cooked a jalfrezi he had a separate tub of chunky peppers/chillis etc.



#703
Solarspice no problems having you(or anyone) along.It would be great to have another pair of eyes with me!!!As I said the place is your bog standard takeaway you can find up an down the country,no frills but certainly big on taste with that elusive flavour.For some reason the guys are quite keen to share their secrets it's such as shame that other places are not so willing.The wife said I was grinning like a cheshire cat when I walked in last night.

chicken madras
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Next up was madras my favourite dish.I can get the chicken spot on after my home home lessons but it's still the sauce I struggle with so that's what I concentrated on.I watched the chef cook about four portions of this and he made it look so easy.Into a pan he put some plain veg oil(everytime he made a dish he made a point of stirring it around with the back of the spoon).As soon as the pan was hot the ginger/garlic paste was added and stirred.Next up was a couple of strange ones,a curry leaf and about 3 slivers of ginger.Why add ginger when you've added ginger/garlic paste I asked....to give even more flavour the chef replied.Next was tower brand tomato puree(diluted with water and I'm sure the chef said mixed with some garlic powder).He added the tinniest bit of salt I've ever seen together with a pinch of methi,chili powder and mix powder.I asked the manager what was in the mix powder and the ingredients were virtually identical to the mix powder my own chef taught me).He then put in a ladle of base sauce and stirred.Next in were precooked onion/pepper from a tub.The chef said this was done to speed up cooking times,it looked like they were cooked in some mix powder and oil,I guess a sort of onion paste.He then produced a dollop of what the manager called chili sauce.This was just various blended chill is in mixed with oil.He then added more base sauce and finished with a squeeze of KTC lemon dressing and coriander.When I return for another lesson I will delve into the onion paste and chili sauce a bit more(maybe this was the same sort of chili sauce I spotted on the East End Takeaway cam recently).One point is the lack of flames or really intense heat.The dish was cooked under a medium heat with no big flames etc.Anyway I had a go at cooking one...

Re: A lesson in my local take-away

I used too much oil the chef said but it still had the flavour and texture.

Got a bit carried away by then...

Re: A lesson in my local take-away

#704

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After he blended it he invited me to taste.Given the standard ingredients I really didn't think it was going to taste any better than others I have made.However I was completely wrong.It was very moorish but not too spicy(he said it shouldn't be spicy as it's used in both kormas and madras).I was surprised that the garlic/ginger paste is not fried first but he said it was not necessary,everything is just placed into the pot.The coconut was a suprise as well,he said you have to be careful as you can overpower the flavour with it.I think it was only ever mentioned on one other base on this site( https://curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=923.msg8159#msg8159).The base was actually boiled rapidly with the lid on for about 45 minutes.I only usually boil my base for about 15 minutes at the most so maybe that is a point to consider.After blending the base was simmered and the oil floated to the top.Half way through the evening the base sauce pot ran out so they started using a fresh pot.After this had been heated the oil started to float on their one as well.The chef then informed me of another new ingredient.On the floor was a big pot of precooked chicken,in a sort of oily red/orange mixture.After the chef had taken the chicken out with a slotted spoon I asked him what he did with the sauce or mixture that is left from this,is it thrown away???  No he said that is poured into the base gravy as well!!!! Also the chicken bones they have are boiled and the result is also put into the gravy.So there you go if you are a vegetarian be careful what you eat in an Indian Restaurant.Actually the chef on my home lessons also mentioned the practice of putting a chicken carcass into the base gravy altough he he didn't because of vegetarian issues.Anyway I took two portions of base sauce home with me...

Re: A lesson in my local take-away

I'm going to use it the weekend to see how I get on,it may need a bit of water as it reduced a bit to much.Phew next bit coming up....
 
#705
Right here goes I'll try not to ramble too much but I spent so long in the takeaway last night I don't know where to begin.I might split this into two or three posts-I spent ages typing today,the site went down and I lost the lot!!

Anyway I arrived about 6.45pm,met the manager and explained what I knew already after having my previous lessons.I donned my chef whites and was led into the kitchen.As it's a small open kitchen where I've seen the chef cook before,there was only two people working,the Manager(who spoke very good English)and the chef(he was a bit harder to understand).The Manager took care of naan breads,bhajis etc whilst the chef did everything else.I thought as it was a Monday it would be quiet but it was in fact very busy.This gave me the added bonus of standing next to the chef watching everything he did.I found it hard to concentrate at first as there was so much to look at,behind the cooker was the table where he had all of his fresh ingredients and at the side was his spices.I really wish I could have had another member of the forum with me,I asked a lot of questions but I've since thought of a lot more!!The place is in Essex not far from junction 31 on the M25 if anyone live near here,he's quite keen to do lessons for some reason.I left about 10.40 laden with my goody bags,the Manager said I was welcome to come back for more lessons,in fact he said when I'm cooking my base sauce at home to phone him if I get stuck!!

Base Sauce
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First question was obviously the base sauce.I had a good look inside the pot,the contents was the normal yellow/orange with a little film of oil at the sides.He said he would show me a scaled down version but using exactly the same ingredients as they use in the kitchen.He explained there is no definite base sauce recipe,every takeaway uses the same basic principles and add their own touches to make it different and unique to them.I asked about the inclusion of asofotedia(hing),margarine,ajowain seeds etc.He had never heard of hing and didn't use the other two,although others may use them.My big question was the use of spiced oil,or onion bhaji oil.He'd never used that either although again he said others might just to avoid throwing oil away.On the subject of spiced oil I saw no use of it whatsoever in the take-away,I asked him if he skimmed the top of the gravy to make dishes and he said no.On the stove was a tin full of vegetable oil(I think the make was pride).No ghee was used(except for naan breads and pillau rice).As I watched the chef cook all the dishes using plain oil(and having tasted them before) I'm confident that the elusive taste can be done without spiced oil.The gravy ingredients themselves were pretty standard apart from one thing..

5 large white onions
1 spring onion
3 chillis
small piece of lemon
1 carrot
handfull of coriander leaves and stalks
half a green pepper
small spoon of tomato puree
1/4 of coconut block(this one surprised me)

chef spoon of ginger/garlic paste
1/4 teaspoon each of Cinnamon,coriander,cumin,garam masala(he actually makes his own-I smelt it and it was wonderful)

Everything was chopped and put into a large pot. the ginger/garlic was added as well as the spices.Two mug fulls of vegetable oil was added as was water to cover it.It was then put on a high heat with the lid on for about 45 mins.He actually added some more water about half way.It was then left to cool.After fumbling about with a mini blender he decided to get out the big industrial stick one they use to blend it which was quite amusing.
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#706
Guys just got in from my take away lesson...all I can say is fantastic fantastic!!!  Been to curry heaven and back!

Arrived at 7.30 and got out at 10.45 all for 25 quid,Cooked a base sauce,madras and bombay aloo.Took some base sauce home with me along with everything else I did.There was a never ending stream of orders so I stood by the chef while he cooked them all....kormas,tikka masalas,sag aloo,madras etc.I watched them all.Will give you a full report tomorrow hopefully!!!!
#707
Lets Talk Curry / Re: another curry recipe book
October 18, 2010, 02:43 PM
Just got the book through the post and am having a quick glance before I go to work.It looks very promising to me,well written and clear with some photo's as well.
Included is a base sauce recipe(not to disimilar to others on this site) as well as a secret spice mix.This spice mix has the same ingredients as the one my chef taught me on my lessons,so either the author and my chef have been communicating with each other or it is a genuine BIR spice mix!!!

The tikka masala recipe looks spot on as does the tikka/tandoori marinades(again quite similar to what I was shown).

HOWEVER what has caught my eye is a recipe for a spiced onion mix,or bhuna onion as it's called in the book.It's added to some dishes to get more flavour.I know this sort of mix has been discussed on this site before but it's the first time I've seen it in the many so called restaurant cook books I have in my collection.

Maybe a bit overpriced considering its number of pages but well worth a purchase.The bhuna onion paste is very interesting.
#708
Lets Talk Curry / Re: east end takeaway cam
October 17, 2010, 09:04 PM
Quote from: Razor on October 17, 2010, 08:45 PM
hey JB,

I've watched these fellas a few times and I've never seen this before.  On my screen, it looks quite orange.  This goes against everything that I believe to be true but I would say that it is a hotter base gravy! maybe for the use in Madras, Vindaloos, Jal Frezi's and so on.

It could also be their Masala sauce.  I know that Dipuraja doesn't cook his but the Kushi Masala sauce does require cooking and ends up being a very thick paste at the end of the cooking.  It could be this, I don't know?  What do you think it could be?

Ray :)

I really don't know mate.It does indeed look like some sort of base sauce to me(albeit a totally new colour from what I'm used to seeing).I hear what you say about a masala sauce,however I've been watching the cam for ages and I'm sure a while ago he actually cooked a tikka masala in a pan from scratch.Can't be sure but it looked like the usual masla ingredients to me-coconut powder,almond sugar etc. so I really don't know.One thing's for sure -It's better than watching the telly!!  The cam has gone down now so maybe they're doing something they don't want us to see!!
#709
Lets Talk Curry / east end takeaway cam
October 17, 2010, 08:27 PM
Guys just watching the cam here

http://www.easttakeaway.co.uk/webcam.php

What is that big pot of red sauce on the go???
#710
Lets Talk Curry / Re: another curry recipe book
October 16, 2010, 11:53 AM
Quote from: haldi on October 16, 2010, 09:42 AM
I'm so tempted to buy this book
Anyone else got it yet?
Is it rubbish?
I'm a serial curry book buyer offender

Mine has been shipped so I might get it on Monday,I'll give you a full report!!!!  I guess I must be s serial curry book buyer as well!!