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#61
Haha - yes, a 'secret marinade' - that was it. Was there anything in the restaurant footage that I missed before I tuned in?

I'm usually quite good at spotting cookery programmes that feature BIR in the schedules, but this one slipped under the radar.

Oh, and hi, everyone. I've been meaning to post again here for a while now, just to say I still read the forum every day, and have learned a lot from it over the years, and thanks. Couldn't really think of anything else to say - until the Fabulous Baker Brothers tried to put me straight!

Thought it might give you a chuckle.  :)

Ian
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#62
That's what The Fabulous Baker Brothers told me on Channel 4 this evening, so it must be true. I didn't see the whole programme, but I was channel surfing and caught sight of a a couple of guys in a BIR kitchen so I naturally paused with interest.

"You can't cook restaurant curries at home, and here's why", one of them said.

1: You don't have a Tandoor at home. No, really, you don't. Indian restaurants use a Tandoor. And you don't have one. Apparently.
2: The dishes are cooked in a special blend of spices.
3: Each dish is cooked in a special sauce.

Phew! That's a relief. If only the Fabulous Baker Brothers had been around back in 2005 when I joined this site. They could have saved me an awful lot of time and effort.

However, all is not lost. Apparently you can make a nice curry if you use something called 'Garam Masala', and add your own choice of spices as you see fit. And coriander. Plus, I know someone who can give you a good price per kilo for your aluminium curry pans, so it's not all bad.

They then went on to cook a fish curry, but I switched over because I didn't want to miss the start of Celebrity Big Brother - not now that I know I can't cook restaurant curries at home.

The programme isn't yet available on 4OD as I type, but when it is, it'll be here: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-fabulous-baker-brothers/episode-guide/series-1/episode-2

Call me optimistic, but I think I'll wait until I see the whole prog before I bin the contents of my spice cupboard. They might have a recipe for Spicy Baked Loaf, or something.

;D
#63
Quote from: poppadom_pete on July 13, 2006, 07:42 PM
Ian before writing it down he asked how much I would be making and I just looked through into the kitchen at what looked to be an industrial size ghee/oil tub which I would say was about 4 litre and said "about that much".

Thanks, Pete - I understand now. :)
#64
Fantastic to get another recipe from the horse's mouth, Pete.  Thanks very much.  I wish I could do that.

Pete -  a quick question which I hope is not a stupid one:  Is this for a full size batch of sauce such as he uses in his kitchen, or had he scaled it down for you?

It's just that I have a four-litre pot and there's no way it would be enough for an evening's worth of curries at a takeaway.  But then, my chef's spoon holds just two tablespoons worth (when level), so the amounts of spices you've listed don't seem overpowering for four litres' worth of sauce if I was to use that.

Just trying to work out the amount of onions needed compared to the rest.

Thanks Pete

Ian
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#65
Lets Talk Curry / Re: Taking stock
July 11, 2006, 03:50 PM
I'm only working on vindaloo and madras curries at the moment, because I want to crack those before I move on. I would say that I'm at the stage where I can match most of the madras and vindaloo curries that I've had from the three or four takeaways I use, most of the time.

Occasionally, my local favourite seems to produce an exceptionally good curry, and then I'm left in the dust.  But the body and the notes of the curry are so close - there's something else which factors in and I'm pretty sure it's not an ingredient.

I'm at the stage where - like some others - I think it's down to technique.  So I'm sticking with my tweaked version of a base sauce (which provides the body and notes that I'm after) and mucking about with the order and cooking times and I'm determined to ignite the pan somehow.

As far as the smell and flavour comparing with a restaurant curry goes, my 'lab rats' (girlfriend and two curryholic friends) say it's spot on.  Unless my gf has been at my house when I'm cooking up the base sauce, which supports the idea that we get desensitised to the aroma while cooking it (I gave a carton of cold curry to my friend to take home and he said 'it's even got the smell'.  I couldn't smell anything).

Thanks 100% to this site, I'm much closer than I've ever been and almost so close that sometimes I think it's not worth worrying about.

But I can never resist fiddlin'. ;)
#66
Curry Base Chat / Re: 50 ltr of base sauce
July 02, 2006, 02:13 PM
 ;D
#67
Curry Base Chat / Re: 50 ltr of base sauce
July 01, 2006, 02:18 PM
Thanks, Haldi. :)
#68
Curry Base Chat / Re: 50 ltr of base sauce
July 01, 2006, 02:02 PM

So - to recap, then:


Quote from: Dirtynunfishing on June 26, 2006, 10:10 PM
Am new to all this.Has anyone got a recipe for 50 ltr of base sauce that can be frozen.

No. :)


Quote from: Dirtynunfishing on June 26, 2006, 10:10 PM
Do you just times everything by 5 from a 10 ltr recipe?

That would be the obvious thing to do. ;)


Quote from: Dirtynunfishing on June 26, 2006, 10:10 PM
Do the spices get multiplied by 5 or will they be to strong and overpowering?

Some people advise the use of less spices and seasoning - especially salt - when you're cooking in larger quantities.  :o Others claim there are no grounds whatsoever for doing this. :-\


Quote from: Dirtynunfishing on June 26, 2006, 10:10 PM
What is the best way to cook 50ltr of sauce?

Cooking it in smaller batches might be a good idea.


Quote from: Dirtynunfishing on June 26, 2006, 10:10 PM
Then I would like to cook Madras,Vandaloo,Korma,and Dansak from the same base sauce is this possible.

Absolutely. :)


Quote from: Dirtynunfishing on June 26, 2006, 10:10 PM
Also is Ghee better than veg oil or not.

Some base recipes use a combination of both.  As far as I know , vegetable oil tends to be used more for cooking standard BIR bases and dishes, and is much cheaper than ghee, which tends to be used for breads and rice.  It's also more associated with traditional, authentic Indian cooking.

You might like to know that ghee is very, very smelly when it's cooking!


Quote from: Dirtynunfishing on June 26, 2006, 10:10 PM
Not to much to ask.

You wouldn't think so. ;D
#69
Curry Base Chat / Re: 50 ltr of base sauce
June 30, 2006, 05:01 PM
Thanks Les, but let?s keep the cat well away from the pigeon coup and tucked up nice and comfy out of harm?s way. :)

On topic: Thanks for the link, Merrybaker.  I was looking for one too and found this:

http://allrecipes.com/hints/scaling.asp

This includes the lines:

?Whenever you alter the amounts of ingredients for a given recipe, you may also need to adjust the cooking temperature, cooking time, pan size and seasonings.?

And:

?If you are doubling a recipe, expect to use only about 1 ? times the original amount of seasonings. If you are tripling a recipe, expect to use only about twice the original amount of seasonings. If you are dividing a recipe in half or to one-third, then use a little less than half or a third of the original amount of seasonings.?

Though whether it goes on to say that a fried breakfast of fried eggs, streaky bacon, white toast with butter, and whole milk is healthy, I can?t say! ;)

Slightly off topic:  People on this site have been given recipes and demonstrations from BIR chefs.  We?ve tried them at home and a lot of us have remarked that though nice, they?re not the same as the real thing.  So somewhere, there?s a gap between what we?ve been shown or told and what we can produce.

We can try and fill this gap with further research (those of us that have the knack of getting into BIR kitchens ? I don?t!), with experimentation and refinement of ingredients and techniques, or even with guesswork.  Or, like hundreds of members of this site, we can sit back and hope someone else cracks it and posts the magic answer (and there?s nothing wrong with that).

If you cook 10 pots of curry and then add them together I agree they?ll taste the same as they did individually.  And, like George and Yellowfingers, I would have thought that if you add 10 times the ingredients to a pot and then cook them, the result would be the same.  Until Merrybaker made her post.   And then I thought: ?How do I know for sure that the chemical reaction in foodstuffs caused by the application of heat remains constant regardless of mass??

Alright, I didn?t. ::) I thought: ?One and a half times the salt? That?s interesting?.  I know precious little about food chemistry (and don?t particularly want to know more than I have to!).

The links certainly suggest, just like Merrybaker?s Home Economics teacher, that the effect of salt and seasoning doesn?t necessarily remain constant.  Whether the spices we use ? and the way we use them, in the processes of tarka and bhuna ? come under the heading of ?spices and seasonings? in the author?s mind well, once again, I?m not sure.  But having read the info, can we still say it's incontravertible that all ingredients should be scaled up in direct proportion?

BIR chefs have said that quantities make a difference.  Darthy?s found more consistent and reliable results cooking in bulk.  I agree that evaporation would be the major factor.  I don?t know that it?s the only one.

If I get into a conversation with someone and we?re kicking these ideas around, it doesn?t help to be told that we?re incontrovertibly wrong, that we urgently need basic science lessons, and that we?re displaying a lack of basic commonsense. Nothing personal, Yellowfingers, I agree ? it?s just that kind of language can create bad feeling and stifle debate, and therefore the flow of information.

Interesting that my guess about adding more than half the amount of salt & spices when halving the recipe is the exact opposite of what the author suggests in the quote above!

Ian :)
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#70
Curry Base Chat / Re: 50 ltr of base sauce
June 29, 2006, 03:57 PM
Well, that told us.  :(

No one was disagreeing with anything, YF.  Merrybaker shared something about seasoning food that I hadn't heard before, and I was exploring it further.  That's all.