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#541
Lets Talk Curry / Re: Cooking Lessons with Az
February 17, 2012, 05:53 PM
Quote from: Jeera on February 17, 2012, 05:04 PM
I made 2 chicken tikka bhunas last night

Ashoka base
1tsp AZ mix powder (homemade garamasama)
2 tbl tomato puree/water mixture
1tsp methi

pinch garamasala and fresh coriander at the end.

I used reclaimed oil in the first and plain veg oil in the second.  I also added hot water after the base since the AZ version was very watery.

Result?

Curry #1 - stunning
Curry #2- same as #1

I smelled the frying pan before I washed it this morning,  smelled phenomenal.

This is definitely it ladies and gents. I can't thank you enough guys.
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Nice one Jeera, did you use the spice mix in place of the onion paste? I think thats supposed to be the job of the paste. I don't find it (the paste)strong enough. What about the G&G?

ELW
#542
Lets Talk Curry / Re: Cooking Lessons with Az
February 17, 2012, 03:55 PM
Quote from: JerryM on February 17, 2012, 03:48 PM
to help understand the extent of "singeing" is it the equivalent of the "toffee" smell or is it a bit further fried.


I think it's the bitterness either side of cooking, under/over which makes this difficult to get right

ELW
#543
Lets Talk Curry / Re: Cooking Lessons with Az
February 17, 2012, 03:30 PM
vindaloo...in 3d or hd please thanks


ELW
#544
Lets Talk Curry / Re: Cooking Lessons with Az
February 17, 2012, 12:10 PM
Quote from: jb on February 17, 2012, 11:44 AM
Quote from: ELW on February 17, 2012, 10:44 AM
QuoteA big thank you to the guys and Az as I know you didn't have to document the lessons for us on video, but for your generosity, you did us all and the forum proud.


It was the reset this forum needed. Cr0 was recipe after recipe, all in all from credible sources, but most people don't know how to cook them properly & until they do are wasting their time following recipe's in their current form..I know it's not the first time a bir kitchen has been visited, but its the credibility factor of the Fleet5 ;) that make this bir report significant. most of it was just 'forum posts' until now.

Anything to report on the Bhuna jb? technique or ingredients?

ELW

Well he added loads of onions and some chopped green pepper,more than any other dish that we cooked.It was cooked in the same way although Az did show me how to push the pan backwards and forwards while scraping it,you'll see what I mean in the video.It's interesting to note that he varied the amount of mix powder that went into every dish,not measured but he just dipped his chef spoon into the powder just so far judged solely by his eye.When we hopefully return(!!) I think the actual cooking of the mains,sides will probably be our main focus and they will be thoroughly documented. 
It was a hell of a lot to take in in 1 go. Now that the base is nailed, it leaves more room to maneuver. I often wondered if bir's had 'borrowed' the term bhuna implying technique rather than ingredients, for the menu, as everything seems to be bhooned at the start. You could be right on it there with the extra mix powder, as you know, a good bhuna is magic stuff, better than Madras imho
ELW
#545
@ emin-j

I made the Kushi instead of Zaal base last night as I only had 1kg of onion & no veg ghee.(I'll make to spec next time round) I've never had any muslin net for the whole spices which are supposed to be boiled with the onions,so just boil them separately & add the water. I'm not sure if you've made this base, but it tastes great & I could easily eat it on it's own. I don't think it provides the taste of a final dish, but does give it great flavour. I've got whole spices down as a chefs touch rather than critical. That said, I will now add it to every base. as it's very simple to do.

The frying of the oil/tomatoes /GG & spice mix to add to it, I took way down further than usual in a pot, before adding water. Didn't really notice what that did...not down far enough I suppose

ELW
#546
Lets Talk Curry / Re: Cooking Lessons with Az
February 17, 2012, 10:44 AM
QuoteA big thank you to the guys and Az as I know you didn't have to document the lessons for us on video, but for your generosity, you did us all and the forum proud.


It was the reset this forum needed. Cr0 was recipe after recipe, all in all from credible sources, but most people don't know how to cook them properly & until they do are wasting their time following recipe's in their current form..I know it's not the first time a bir kitchen has been visited, but its the credibility factor of the Fleet5 ;) that make this bir report significant. most of it was just 'forum posts' until now.

Anything to report on the Bhuna jb? technique or ingredients?

ELW
#547
Quote

This is key for me which is why i'm not bothered about the other ingredients.  On Sunday, i managed to create under Az's instruction  my favourite dish.  This dish tasted so very close to what my local produce.  The following night, i ate a house speciality, which included the naga chilli.  The dish created on Sunday was even closer to this than my regular dish.  This tells me that irrespective of gravy / mixed spice, techniques will produce very similar results with the same spices used.  The effect of the base and spice mix will be neglible.  If this wasn't the case then what i cooked on Sunday would be worlds apart from my local's dish and the one i ate on Monday eve.  My experience on Sunday tells me it's about technique.  Everything else is secondary and will only have a subtle influence providing you get the first bit right of course ;D.  I hope this makes sense.  So sorry i cannot provide more definitive answers at this point it time ???  Hopefully i will be able to, but they'll only be any good for some poor sod that is cooking on an electric hob like me ;)

..makes perfect sense
I will consider myself at square 1, once I can merge the oil g&g tom pur & spices in a pan into that 1 unique flavour, that we are all on about. Only then will I say I can reproduce bir @ home. Once I've got this down, it will open up all the other recipe's to me from Kris Dhillon(we may not liked her recipe's initially, but I'm sure if she or a chef cooked them for us,we'd go away with our tails between our legs  :) ) to CA's, Kushi & Ashoka. I could give more time to the pre-cooking of meats etc, & maybe fine tune a few recipe's, but as of now, I've no business tinkering with anything but the basics   ::) All other ingredients, including base gravy are purely chefs touches, which may or may not set the dish apart from the other guy down the road.
I'll admit to not yet having achieved this 1 aspect, the rest is straight forward.

Glad to see the hair splitting details of measurements being  dismissed also, after seeing a chef working maybe 3 x pans, adding ingredients with a large spoon, whilst talking to someone & hardly even watching the pans. ;D

I've had some poor curries, but even the worst have never tasted of raw powdered or burned spices, the smell of the raw mix powder should I think be completely gone from a properly cooked bir curry.

The hands experience the Fleet5 got at Zaal & Panpots Ashoka experience)https://curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=3189.0, Bruce Edwards also saw it done(2 great bir reports), has shown me that the single most important thing is lost in print.  ???

Julian from c2g may reveal a bit more in his forthcoming ebook regarding technique, but I ask myself why its never emphasized in print.Maybe Abdul or Ifindforuhas some input on this?But they have never cracked a light. It may be second nature to an Asian chef, but with hindsight I think B.E should have spotted this glaring omission  :(
#548
The Roshun Mirchi looks great Gary. I know I can get a pan hot enough, when I turned the G&G black in under 10 seconds last night, using my new technique

ELW
#549
Lets Talk Curry / Re: Vegetable ghee warning
February 17, 2012, 08:34 AM
Quote from: George on February 16, 2012, 09:35 PM
Quote from: ELW on February 16, 2012, 08:23 PM
I can't work out the pattern of the use of ghee. Ashoka use it for some dishes at the frying stage & not others according to the report. Kushi if I remember correctly,mix it with veg oil to start off their tikka masala. One thing i'm certain of is thats it features heavily in the Glasgow bir's. The empty buckets are then used for all manner of things. The thing is, I see both, the big metal containers of oil & the big ghee buckets in the same places.

Do all your references refer to vegetable ghee?

Ghee (as labelled) is not only clarified butter as mis-stated by noble ox.
Yes George I was referring to vegetable ghee. These are 10kg or maybe even larger plastic tubs, the size of which may give an idea of their application in bir. I've only seen butter ghee in smallish metal tins & every bir kitchen video seems to feature one on the stove top. I would guess that the butter ghee metal containers on the stove, actually contain veg oil or veg ghee, used there purely to keep it warm & ready for use. The butter ghee may be used in smaller quantities, ie brushing naan bread & probably goes for miles. I think trans fats are mainly used for improving the shelf life of perishables, with no nutritional value. As for the health risks, I could Google it all day,I don't think I would take much away from it other than trans fats are linked to certain cancers & heart disease. Glasgow doesn't do moderation  ::)

ELW
#550
Quote from: jb on February 16, 2012, 08:15 PM
Quote from: curryhell on February 16, 2012, 12:05 PM
Quote from: ELW on February 16, 2012, 11:49 AM
Great report CH, what would the difference in Az's Bhuna, & your basic curry up until to the 1st gravy?
ELW
Sorry ELW, i'm no help on this one.  JB is the bhuna man.  I wasn't in the vacinity at time.  SP may even have a vid of it unless he was "singeing" his vindaloo at the time ;D

Guys,I may be good at skewering chicken for the tandoori oven but uploading footage onto computers I am not.I am sending my disc to Solarspice who has kindly offered to upload it for me(topman ;D).You can see me cooking the bhuna,as well as Natterjack blending the gravy with the industrial size blender!!
Hi jb, I'm looking to find out if bir bhuna is technique or ingredients, looking forward to the vid
ELW