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#531
Lets Talk Curry / Re: Cooking Lessons with Az
February 19, 2012, 12:46 AM
Just to update what I posted earlier, sorry I was in a bit of a hurry.
I'm firstly looking to avoid undermining all the information on bir@home prior to the Zaal gig. It was being offered up to eveyone all along, from Bruce Edwards to Chewytikka. The ambiguous nature of the taste  is difficult to convey, although I knew when i read somewhere "my curries at home don't taste like the restaurant ones", we were all looking at 1 process/technique/ingredient, "not f***in rocket science"...puts this 1 pot stir fry cooking into perspective.
I still stand by my observation that this simple technique of has been
ignored in favour of ingredients

That said, it's magic stuff to the Western palate, when done properly

Today I used the Kushi base, with the Zaal mixed powder, salkim tomato paste, (no meat/onions/peppers), Flora sunflower oil! - bog standard gas cooker on the biggest burner(can easily be done on one of the smaller rings, probably better for home use in fact as you cantake a bit more time , unless you have 30 ticket orders queing up!) -26cm ali pan

2 x tbs oil
medium heat-full heat will burn it (7secs in my case!!)
1 x tsp GINGER/garlic paste - if using a wider pan make sure its frying in the oil & keep it moving -30-40 secs & its's done, not brown but heading that way

turn gas up full

1 tsp Zaal mix powder(curry powder trs madras)& 1 tbls roughly 3-4 water  in 1 tomato paste at the same time, a hot fry & 1 x ladle hot gravy - reduce & add more gravy to make up the  portion size - result-starting to cut the sharpness of the spices, that catch the top of your mouth & say "not bir". The aroma is there, but not the taste

Another attempt at above ~ same results

3rd go,(noting the small amount of ingredients used)/ 1tsp mix powder in when ginger garlic cooks out(15-20 sec on full heat moving quickly)then tomato paste to quench it  keeping it moving, then gravy - the transformation is as magical as MSG i
s., it's BIR all over! The aroma becomes the taste! The burning risk is higher, but the further you can take it the better


4th go - off piste/experimental as i was running out of thawed base - same as 3rd go, but added methi leaves . Then added a touch of water to bulk up to nearly a portion, I then recooked it in the in the pan, fried in my last heaped TBLSP Ashoka Banjarra - result total Ashoka taste(Ashoka has a fairly unique taste due to the heavy garlic G&G /Banjarra/Base), it may not be to eveyone's taste but definite bir. The Banjarra paste really does show a chef at work here, it seemed like nothing more than a Pataks paste to me before today.

Once again thanks to Az at Zaal in Fleet for telling the handful of curry nuts what he knows & to them for sharing this, without it I would still be running bizarre theories through my head
ELW
#532
Lets Talk Curry / Re: Cooking Lessons with Az
February 18, 2012, 07:39 PM
Quote from: Jeera on February 17, 2012, 05:04 PM
I made 2 chicken tikka bhunas last night

Ashoka base
1tsp AZ mix powder (homemade garamasama)
2 tbl tomato puree/water mixture
1tsp methi

pinch garamasala and fresh coriander at the end.

I used reclaimed oil in the first and plain veg oil in the second.  I also added hot water after the base since the AZ version was very watery.

Result?

Curry #1 - stunning
Curry #2- same as #1

I smelled the frying pan before I washed it this morning,  smelled phenomenal.

This is definitely it ladies and gents. I can't thank you enough guys.
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I'm having major success with this now also. I'd recommend using the ashoka kit altogether(base not so  crucial), the banjarra onion paste really comes to life when the spices are cooked correctly. It really is the work of a chef. I never knew which tree to bark up next until the Zaal report. It gets more interesting now, & the experiments will continue, but I know now  the 'taste' is hot fused spices.
Kushi base
Zaal Mix Pwdr
Ashoka Banjarra
Ashoka GARLIC/ginger
ELW
#533
Lets Talk Curry / Re: Cooking Lessons with Az
February 18, 2012, 01:26 PM
I hear Az, calling it puree in the phall video. Paste is sweeter isn't it? I can't find White Tower out of the big c&c's too often. Some Tescos may have it :-\  C&C's have all the brands associated with asian foods, Natco/WT/East End, versions of puree's & pastes, but they are trade only..I've been using the Italian branded stuff ???, Is this anyway different?


@chewytikka, that maybe came across the wrong way, ::) it was meant in general. Your stuff is up with the best I've seen. The tip on leaving the sweetners out of the masala paste is something I'll be doing, rather than waiting to make a ctm's, which doesn't happen very often.

ELW
#534
Quote from: JerryM on February 18, 2012, 10:24 AM
curryhell,

many thanks - intrigued now to try both the Zaal vindaloo and the phall (but at vindaloo hot) to compare the difference in technique. given the risks as you say would not be done without reason. one to go on the to do list.

in the past i'd picked up that the longer the spice is cooked the darker the final curry becomes. i'd connected this with say bhuna type dishes and not madras derivatives which i see as red.


I found this yesterday when cooking, with no kashmiri used to colour a bhuna, its still much darker than a standard curry. The base reduction to give me a thick sauce was also turning dark very quickly

edit-the singeing & initial cooking looks easier in a slightly smaller pan than i use (26cm ali) on a big flame?
ELW
#535
Lets Talk Curry / Re: Cooking Lessons with Az
February 18, 2012, 10:06 AM
Quote from: Whandsy on February 18, 2012, 09:49 AM
Hi Jeera (or anybody succeesfully singeing) glad to hear your success stories with this method

What do you feel is best practice for the "singeing", as a lot of us have found out, if the oil is too hot the garlic/ginger blackens almost instantly, are you cranking the heat up after the G/G's in and then adding spices and tom puree or are you melting the pan from the start and then deftly adding the other ingredients?? ???

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Do the chefs taste as they go?, to the amateur it seems like there is a small margin for error, surely they must botch a few here & there when their working at full pelt. I've had watery/too much oil/a bit bland/ too hot/not hot enough, but never bitter or powdery. How often do they bin & start over?


edit- is it tomato paste or puree? & would the supermarket brands give a different flavour to the brands suppling the trade?
ELW
#536
Lets Talk Curry / Re: Cooking Lessons with Az
February 18, 2012, 01:03 AM
Quote from: chewytikka on February 18, 2012, 12:47 AM
Hi JB
Yes Az's, Red Masala Paste has what I call "The Sweet paste" = i.e. Coconut, Almond and Sugar included.
This is great if your making plenty of CTM's.

But I find that unusual in my experience, because the Red Masala Sauce is the "souring" ingredients and is usually separate
(and is virtually a runny Tandoori marinade).

Just makes for more versatile cooking, i.e. there are lots of dishes that a Chef will use a splash of
Red Masala Sauce in, but he won't want the Coconut, Almond and Sugar in it as well.

Like any Jhal Dishes, for instance i.e. Jhal Frezi, or Jhal Zool, there's no sweet paste ingredients in these. but there might be in Az's Restaurant
nothing wrong in that, his customers might love it.

My Jhal mix and Red Masala sauce are virtually the same
https://curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=5699.msg56567#msg56567

Here's an old clip of the 2 paste and sauce being combined to make a CTM
https://curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=5988.msg59309#msg59309
http://www.southtyneside.com/sizzler/ctm.html

I still think AZ will have a Red Masala Sauce lurking about. ;)

cheers Chewy, Who's Singe-ed there nostril hair then. :D
This is the sort knowledge & opinion that may be being wasted on me & many others at this stage Chewytikka. You should redo some of your vids &tuts , focussing on initial technique, its a glaring omission in bir@home
Regards
ELW
#537
Lets Talk Curry / Re: Cooking Lessons with Az
February 18, 2012, 12:47 AM
Quote from: George on February 17, 2012, 11:59 PM
Quote from: ELW on February 17, 2012, 11:44 PMIt is fairly easy to quiz them for B.S.

I'm not so sure. When I asked a fairly straight forward question earlier in this thread it prompted a very tetchy, off-topic and personally insulting response from CurryHell.  I'm sorry that the thread then went into argument mode but it wasn't my fault.
I prefer opinion over backslapping all day long George, but i can't think of anything negative about the Zaal vids. Unstaged & unscripted is a rare form of media these days
#538
Lets Talk Curry / Re: Cooking Lessons with Az
February 18, 2012, 12:03 AM
Quote from: natterjak on February 17, 2012, 08:10 PM
Tonight I made a lamb madras with special attention paid to the frying of the spices to get that characteristic "grab at the back of your throat and make you splutter" aroma before the base sauce was added.  Result?  About twice as nice as any madras I've cooked before!  Really, I'm delighted.

But I also started to ponder this question of why, if this is an important fundamental component of the "correct" flavour has this been so under reported?  My conclusion has to be that it *isn't* essential - it can't be or the very many first hand reports and videos we've had from BIR kitchens would have been shouting about it.  In fact it's easy to find examples where experienced chefs clearly do not singe their spices, this is the first one I looked for on youtube with Dipu apparently adding his spices to a cold pan and not leaving them there long enough to singe before the base sauce is added:

How to make lamb madras

So maybe this isn't the panacea that we assume, although my early results suggest it really does work for me.  It would be great to get some input on this point from more BIR chefs, maybe Abdul has a view?
Hi nj, I realise I'm preaching to the converted, but this is exactly why I'm stating the Zaal visit as is a significant bir@home reset on cr0 & anywhere else .I'm putting Dip in the bag with kd,kushi,B.E, Abdul, (Amateurs aside), for failing to relay to the what creates a
#539
Lets Talk Curry / Re: Cooking Lessons with Az
February 17, 2012, 11:44 PM
Quote from: mr.mojorisin on February 17, 2012, 10:36 PM
if your "secret" means that much then you can keep it....
in fact ...I'll tell you exactly where the "secret" goes......it is inserted through the anus :)
in other words... "stick it right up yer arse :)"
cheers :)
If the group that went to Zaal didn't tell what they know on cr0(they didn't have to), their credibility would zip afterwards. It is fairly easy to quiz them for B.S. B.S doesn't come across in the demeanor of any of the 5 imo. It's fair that there should be a degree of p**s taking for a bit
ELW
#540
Quote from: George on February 17, 2012, 10:42 PM
At approx 7:55 into the video (seconds from the end) Az sprinkles some powder into the Roshney that's sitting there, nearest the camera, virtually finished. Salt? MSG? Garam Masala? General Purpose Seasoning or what?
Thats where the unstaged video comes into it's own George, I'm sure we'll have the answer soon