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#311
It seems to be a sport in some restaurant kitchens to get the biggest and highest flames they can. I am sure it adds something to the final taste but is something we might not be able to reproduce at home due to the lower cooking temperatures we have and the high cost of replacing the burned out shell of your house!

Ray
#312
Hi Darth,

First of all I still have half the base I originally made. The taste of this from the outset is excellent and that's not just for your benefit Darth.
This leads me to believe and agree with some others on this site that the initial Base is the most critical part. Like Kriss Dhillon's Base it is excellent initially and has great potential but can be easily spoiled by what is added after that.

I added too little water at the start but think I more or less corrected that before going on to the curry stage. The only other thing I did was add the spices which I now feel were excessive. I did feel I was adding too much simply by the pile I tipped in. Perhaps my spoons are too big. Seeing as the spices are added to the base I see no reason why I shouldn't add say half the amount, taste and then add a little at a time and see what happens.

The underlying taste of the initial base was still there even though the spices overpowered it somewhat so I know a good result was there to achieve, I just ballsed it up!

Just for the next attempt can you tell me this:-

How much water in oz's, pints etc do you think you add to the veg at the beginning.

Just confirm how many litre's you end up with and how many bags do you get from that.

At which point do you add the Passata at the curry stage as your recipe doesn't say. I put it in just after the spices.

If you fill one of your dessertspoons to the required amount, how many level teaspoons would that be?

Regards,

Ray


#313
Hi All,

I have just followed the recipe for Darthphal's 99.9% clone Curry Base and completed a Chicken Vindaloo as per instructions (well almost).
Here are my findings:-

The initial preparation of all the ingredients is the most time consuming thing and 15 Onions later my eyes were streaming so much I couldn't see! Next time I will cut them outside!
Once all the ingredients were prepared I was confused as to how much water/liquid to add to the cooking veg and spices at the start as it wasn't made too clear. I know this was a slight oversight and is being rectified meanwhile!

I added enough water to just cover the veg and in this recipe the volume of prepared ingredients is huge and will need a LARGE pot. I actually used a big cast iron wok which took everything.? Once cooking this volume reduces and becomes more manageable.
After the hour's cooking and cooling I blended the sauce which turned out the consistency of a thick condensed soup. I had ended up with about 4 litre's in volume! My first reaction to the taste was, "god that's hot"!!
Knowing Darth like's his curries hot is apparent by the first taste. For me this was quite enough "heat" so I decided not to add any more chillie powder at the next stage which calls for an additional 3 dessertspoons extra hot powder!!! Phew!!

Darth told me the sauce I had made was too thick and I had not added enough water at the start so I rectified this by adding more at this stage. This immediately brought the heat down to a better level for my taste and the sauce was then more the consistency of in Darth's words "cup of soup". I believe Darth gets about double the volume I had got so obviously I had not added enough water.

If anyone has made the bases from Bruce Edwards or Balti Kitchen it should be about the same consistency as this so we must be on the right track from that point of view.
What about the taste?
I am not very good at description's but I thought it was great, reminicent of others I had tasted, particularly Bruce Edwards but with an intensity in taste deeper and richer than Bruce's. More flavours and spices go in to it than many other recipes so I suppose it stands to reason more flavour and taste will come out of it!!
This initial base looked very promising and certainly does the author justice when he rates it highly like he does.

Next on to the actual Chicken Vindaloo recipe.

As I said I am not a fan of extreme heat so I decided not to increase the Chillie content above an extra teaspoon in the final recipe. Perhaps this could be said I am not following this recipe so how can I achieve the same result but I don't think the "heat" aspect would affect the overall flavour too much.

My first reaction to the Curry Recipie was how odd to just "boil" the chicken instead of fry. However, it really does make for tender and moist meat. Perhaps adding some turmeric to the water for added effect or even pre-cooking in some of the base sauce would be an option? However, Darth's method was good enough for me.

Making the finished curry was very simple and straightforward. Fry off some Garlic and Onion, Gather all the spices together, Pre-cook the chicken add a bottle of Passata, add these things in sequence to an amount of the base sauce. Bring to the boil and..............done!

My bowl of powdered spices was fairly substantial as I had used rounded dessertspoons of each. On reflection I think I have made my own error here and should have used level spoons as the resulting taste was strongly spice tasting. Not spicy as in "chilli heat" but just too much spice. The predominant taste was Fenugreek Leaves and I think I had overdone this a little. Perhaps my dessertspoons are a different size from the author's!?
The actual taste was lovely but just too much taste if you can understand that!
Next time I will reduce the quantities of spices and see how that goes.
The final dish, of which I had three whole litres was enough for about 8 curries. It looked the right colour, was of the right consistency and tasted a lot like I expected it would. The only let down for me was the overspicy end taste but I think it was my error.
I shall definatley be making it again as I feel it is a worthy contender as one of the "good one's on the site" but I need to review what I did and compare this with Darth's instruction's to see what I "should" have done!

With all credit to Darth I think he has a good curry base and it's no wonder he puts a high mark of success to it and has followers at his work who rate it.
But it also goes to show whatever recipes we follow and no matter how good the author say's they may be there is always some bozo like me that comes along, jumps in with both feet and cocks it up!!.
Better luck next time eh !

Ray


#314
Lets Talk Curry / Re: Fresh Coriander
September 17, 2005, 06:25 AM
Once again thanks for the advice folks.
That's one great thing about this site. You learn something new every day!!
Enjoy your cooking,

Regards

Ray
#315
Lets Talk Curry / Re: Fresh Coriander
September 15, 2005, 09:51 PM
Quote from: blade1212 on September 15, 2005, 08:01 PM
I actually freeze the full packet/bunch and grab the amount I need each time. It defrosts in seconds this way and is indistinguishable from fresh corriander once in a curry.

Great stuff, thanks Blade and George!
I think the answer is in convienience and cheapness. I imagined myself farming the stuff and having fields of it on the windowsill. Sadly I can't achieve this as it seems to be a fussy kind of plant! So down to the local Asian supermarket it is cos they have loads of it at mega cheap prices. Thanks all the same, I think this has answered it for me!!

Ray G
#316
Lets Talk Curry / Re: Fresh Coriander
September 15, 2005, 07:10 PM
Thanks guys,

I think this has given me a few tips straight away, like buy it at the Asian supermarket at 50p a bunch and save the hassle. I do chop it in the blander and freeze it in ice-cube trays with a spot of water. It seems to stay fresh but the colour goes quite dark.

Ray
#317
Lets Talk Curry / Fresh Coriander
September 15, 2005, 07:23 AM
Hi All,

I am not very green-fingered but would like to have a more constant supply of Fresh Coriander.
Has anyone any hints how best to grow the stuff, like what seeds to buy, where to grow it, compost, watering...........etc etc. I usually buy ready cut bunches from the Asian supermarket at about 50p a bunch. I have also bought it growing in a pot at ?1.30p rip off but once I have it at home it wilts and dies!!
I really am useless at this so simple tips would be a great help.

Regards

Ray G
#318
Lets Talk Curry / Re: World's biggest curry!
September 14, 2005, 07:13 AM
Gosh, you old dog!! Never knew you had so many skills!!

Going to get on with your 99.9% Base today so stand-by for the report!

Ray G
#319
Lets Talk Curry / Re: World's biggest curry!
September 13, 2005, 08:02 PM
Quote from: Yellow Fingers on September 13, 2005, 06:09 PM
Obviously this proves the theory that good curries can only be made in large quantities, so get your burners set up underneath your bath if you want that authentic restaurant taste?

I think Darthphal uses an old tin bath in his outside lav cos he has been banned from the house due to the smell. He gets to use it most days except Saturday when his missus has a bath and shaves her bits!!!

Ray G
#320
I really like the book too. Just reading through the pages with the little hints and tips gives me the inspiration to get cooking. Tandoori Masala is used in quite a number of recipes in various books quietly away. It has a fantastic aroma and contains Garlic Powder which I think has a pretty powerful and unusual taste and is used instead of fresh Garlic by some restaurants.
I also think that as each recipe comes from a genuine BIR gives it more credit for printing genuine restaurant recipes. The trouble is it will take ages to make them all!!

Ray G