Quote from: jimmy2x on November 26, 2009, 09:09 PM
wife is going mad, the house smelling like a indian takeaway, and complaining about the yellow stains i seem to get on the worktops. takes me as long to clean up as it does to make a curry.

ok fess up who is is getting an earfull about all this?

she has also said she is sick of eating curries, tonight i just made one for myself.

all the trouble i go to , how ungratefull huh. hehe

Snap , Ditto, Likewise.
I ponged the whole house the other Sunday when doing Onion Baji's . I made about 50 of em at 6am , took till 8 am.
She came downstairs complaining about the smell , said it was making her feel sick. To be honest it was a strong smell and I couldn't eat any of them as it was holding in the back of my throat for 2 days.
Everyone else gobbled them up though and I got several order placed for next time.

I went to the local co-op Sunday evening and I know the woman on the till. She asked me if I had just had a curry ?
Turns out it was my Fleece coat !
I went back up the isles and bought 2 cans of spray fabric freshner.

Thanks all , Concensus is it's the stem. I also have put some finely chopped up fresh in the curry as it's coocking then some more less chopped in the final moments as served. I just couldn't understand why I didn't get the flavour peaks in every spoonful. Yes, its there in the background in every part but not that "highlight" you get now and again. As I say , I get the same effect with bought curries. either takeaway or sit in. Actually , I like it that way. It holds a suspense for each mouthful which of course makes the meal interesting.

I make curries. Have been doing so for about the last 25 years. Always striving for that BIR taste of course. Like many I get it spot on now and again or when Leo is in Sagitarius during a full moon in the mist of time down in cloud cukoo land. Ive been getting it "righter" much more lately since joining this wonderful site and learning from everyone here , thank you.
The last two made here being uncryticalable by me or my 'commanding officer'. She being very satisfied indead.
My main problems in the past ( now better understood ) were that of using too much garlic and ginger ( ginger mostly ). Also not using enough coriander ( oh boy that was THE big mistake ). So , perhaps you are with me now when I say my attention has been focused somewhat over this last week on Coriander so whilst still pondering many aspects of the use of Coriander ( see now I am spelling it everytime with a capital 'C') in my cooking I have just one question to ask ( theres many more but i'll post this one just for now ) . After putting fresh Coriander in my pan ontop of the curry , little heat , a few seconds pass then serve up. I go and eat the curry. Every mouthfull ( bleedin lovely it is . Oh Yes ) has Coriander in it. Some of it is the Coriander powder I put in my spice mix and some is the fresh chopped Coriander leaves and stalks I sprinkled in just at the end of the curry cooking . Now then, I notice a BANG in my mouth of Coriander but not in every mouth full. It's in every mouth full because I can see it. But I only get the bang now and again. What im'e talking about by a bang it a total upwelling of flavour that hits my tastebuds and stimulates something in my brain. Now , everywhere I look and read , I only see mention of Coriander having a lemon type flavour. This is strange as I dont get that , either from my own curry's or from takaways. What I get can be best described as a "creamy vanilla" taste. It's not exactly that but I can't describe it any nearer im'e afraid. I really really hope some of you know what im'e talking about here. Now whats puzzling me is this , I can't understand why I don't get it in every mouthful. I know "it" is there in the background but I only get the insense taste say once in every 3 or 4 mouthfulls. This leaves me to believe that its only a certain part of the chopped Coriander thats giving me this zing , bang wollop. All I can say for now is that all of a sudden , after years of messing and experimenting im'e a very happy chap. So happy in fact that my sharing of my recent experiences with my grownup kids and close friends is causing something of an annoyance as I can't stop bleeting on about it. Please tell me , which bit of the Coriander is causing this *`/X)($^~: Wow. ?

Quote from: CurryCrazy on November 20, 2009, 10:57 PM
Not usually one for self diagnosis but this is fairly common after eating large meals.

See this (warning.......don't look if you have hypochondriac tendencies!  ;D )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactive_hypoglycemia

Also check out Postprandial hypoglycemia in google!

Enjoy  ;D

CC

Hi CurryCrazy,

I appreciate all that you have said.
Im'e diabetic and have been so for 10 years. I have a blood sugar test kit. If I feel unwell and im'e not sure what it is then I always test my blood sugar ( well you would , wouldn't you ). Im'e very aware of what going hypoglycemic ( a hypo ) feels like and the relationship that hypoglycemia has with food ( along with insulin of course ). I can tell you that what I describe above is nothing to do with hypoglycemia .

Heres something for everyone and it's in Laymans Terms

Hypoglycemia is where a persons blood glucose level drops to a sate below normal ( normal is 4 or some medical people say 4 ~ 7 ) . The problem for insulin dependent diabetics is , that sometimes their own pancrias makes some insulin or ( if it normally makes crap insulin that doesn't work ) it suddenly makes a bit of good insulin. Ie , the person has injected insulin AND made some in their pancrias ... what have we there then ?
An Overdose of insulin , hence , the blood sugar then drops and keeps dropping below the number 4 level ( hypoglycemic ) known as a "hypo". If the blood glucose isn't brought back up to normal pretty quick , the person goes into a sort of coma. ( the reality is they go into an unwakeable sleep ). Even if left and nothing is done the person should in most cases recover on their own. the body will react to the condition and use stored fat , turning this into glucose and the person will wake up, poorly but awake. However, this condition is not good ( it's very bad ) so the person shouldn't be left , they need sugar quick or medical intervention. if they suffer from other medical conditions, a hypo can bring on other serious complications such as a stroke or heart attack etc.
To Summarise : A hypo is where someone has overdosed on insulin ( taken too much or taken normal amount + their own body made some )  . This should NOT happen if they have just had a large meal ( vertualy impossible ) .
OK, OK, OK .. so many of us have heard that theres 2 types... type A and Type B , yes ?
Well its simple ..
Type A is where you are born with it and is usually where NO insulin is made at all ( this should be easier to control because if None is made , then you can caluculate much easier how much to take with regards to what you eat.
Type B is where the pancreas starts to work poorly and this occurs in later life. Usually its a hit and miss afare as to how well it works and how good the produced insulin is.
Besides type A and B , theres the ability of all the other tissues in the body to accept this insulin ( injected or natural ). Where someones body doesn't "like" that insulin , it's called insulin intollerance or insulin rejection.
Type B ( thats those who get the problem later in life ) have difficulty controlling their diabetes becuase their own panceas is often working .. on / off /on off/ good stuff bad stuff . So, its hard to work out how much to inject. What you do ( work ) during the day also has a big effect because this depends on how much sugar you are using for energy. All food is converted to sugars in the blood to use as energy. Particularly the muscles as they are called upon to do work rapidly. One moment you can be sitting , the next moment your up and doing something.  This is why you might see a diabetic start to do very heavy work ( like mixing concrete with a spade ) and he can do it OK , then suddenly he just cant do it, all his energy just goes. He suddelnly feels tired , weak and shaky  ( he's near a hypo ). He might rest a while and be OK ... or ... if his blood sugar continues to drop he will go "hypo"  ( below a level 4 ) and need sugar. Sugar is sugar so it's very quickly absorbed by the stomach and converted into blood glucose thus restoring everything back to above a level 4. ( some diabetics let themselves go low so they can have sweeties ... naughty )
Some young people let their blood sugar go high ( known amongst young female diabetics mostly ) by not taking insulin . This has a dramatic effect of rapid weight loss over a few weeks but often results in the greatest danger of loss of sight ( very silly ).
Not all diabetics are overweight due to eating too much. Sometimes their high weight is a result of taking insulin and being unable to keep proper control of blood sugar levels.  However , it's a know problem that people who are overweight can become diabetic much easier than those who are not overweight. But please , don't tar them all with the same brush !

OK , now theres the opposite :
Hyperglycemia ( not Hypo , the 'O' in the word is replaced with 'er' )
This condition is known as "high blood glucose" and this is what ALL diabetics have. Their blood sugar is high because their Pancrias doesn't make insulin or doesn't make enough insulin or makes rubbish insulin. So, they have to take insulin by injection to stabalise their blood glucose to a "normal level" of between 4 ~ 7ish ( 4 is what we are aiming for ).  What makes blood sugar high ? .... it's food. In a fully fit person their own bodies secrete insulin and vary the bodies level according to how much energy they are using and how much food they have eaten. In a diabetic person this is totally cocked up due to the pancrias not working right !

OK , now we have accertained that a curry will affect blood sugar ( a curry is food ). It will make a persons blood sugar rise. However a high blood sugar level is NOT harmful in the short term. It doesn't do much to a person other than give them a short term energy boost, but ,... heres the BUT ... a continuous high blood sugar level is bad , very bad and it leads to many other problems , like ... going blind , having your legs amputated due to bad circulation , heart attack , any cuts not healing etc etc. So , this is the reason why a diabetic must control their blood sugar levels.

So, Summary No 2:
Food will make a diabetic have short term energy boost ( then after about 20 minutes it makes then sleep like they took a sleeping pill ! )
NOT having any insulin ( like you see them panic in movies because they havn't got insulin when theyv'e been kidnapped or summat ) is not bad in the short term . ( so this idea in movies is really a load of crap ) . It's only long term high blood sugar that is bad and in this case bad really = months or years. ( actaully, days isn't so good either ).

Postprandial hypoglycemia is a RARE variant of the normal diabetic whereby the blood sugar drops uncontrolably some time after a meal ( usually because their own pancrias has made too much insulin ). This is not a one-off , it happens every time they eat something , so this sufferer will know about it.  It's often not referred to as diabetes because the pancrias is working , it's just not working correctly.

In my case , the curry I ate did not affect my blood sugar beyond what any other meal affects it ( cos when I felt off , I tested it and it was 6.8 ) . I had taken my normal amount of insulin before the curry. All blood sugar levels taken after the curry were within my normal level and even the following day. I know what going hyper and hypo feels like.
Besides that, eating makes your blood sugar go UP , this means you go hypER not hypO . Look at the text above again and see that Hyper isn't bad in the short term. It won't make you feel ill unless you have had a MEGGA amount to eat or eaten lots and lots of sugar food.  The most a hypER will do is make you feel thirsty and temprorarily hyperenergetic. ( like an upper drug ... speed etc. ) but it's temporary and after you will feel very tired.

Now then , theres one thing worth mentioning here . Fenugreek ( Methi ) is known to improve or boost pancriatic function . Eee-By-Gum , its good stuff that there Methi .
It's been well researched and documented. This is a long term thing and not a short term thing so it wont immediatly make any difference to blood sugar levels when used in a curry.

I do hope this is interesting for anyone reading it. Im'e sorry about the length but thought I might include all of it as there are too many misconceptions regarding diabetese.

Please have another look at the original post. I call it The Knock. Read carefully what I wrote there. I'm talking about something similar to what might happen if you ate something salty, or something peppery or something acidy and "at that time" it just didn't agree with you.  We all know the common thing people talk about after eating a Chinese meal , dryness , thirst or even very hungry a short time afterwards. Suppose you had some gravy with a Sunday lunch time meal but the cook made it much too strong a flavour, so strong it sort of overpowered the meal but you were enjoying it all so you ate it all. Afterwards you might feel "different" but not necessarily "unwell" . Ok ,well this is what I was describing . I don't get it often . Only now and again and it's not connected to HOT curries , it's more connected to spicy curries. It's not a feeling of being unwell , its just a feeling of "something's happening" but it is connected with an underlying headache or as I said before like a bit of a hangover. It can upset sleep . To be honest , now that I've rethought it all , I think it's just a spice overload. You are eating something that you would no way eat in its uncombined form. You just wouldn't eat 3 or 4 spoons full of natural ginger , or same with garlic , or even onions , let alone the powdered spices. Imagine putting 3 spoons full of Turmeric in your mouth , yet that's what we are doing with the final curry and lots of it. Sometimes it's OK but sometimes it's not and if it's over done a bit it can tip the balance. I think that's whats happening when I get THE KNOCK.
OK OK OK , I hear you all saying " but he put that green sauce in it " . Yes I did but I don't think it was a heat issue as I have had hotter with no problems.

So, having re-thought it all , gone over everyone's replies , I have deduced ( for the time being ) that it's simply an overdose of spices that my body doesn't like at that particular time ( remember im'e not talking HEAT here )  ....... solution , use less spice , choose less spicy stuff off a menu.

I had thought the post might end yesterday when I accepted that no other people had posted replies confirming The Knock. 
I think now is the time to end it and move on  to things more related to the site . CURRIES.

Once again , thanks to all who have replied , contributed and showed concern.

I won't add any more to this post , Happy cooking to you all.

Ok , well thanks to all who took time to answer. To be honest I was expecting a few people to say "yes I get that" " it's normal" . At least this shows up that it's just me and now and again the wife. It's not bad enough to mention to the doctor ( he's Indian by the way ) as i don't think he would say anything other than to lay opff the curries. He would likely latch onto something it isn't such as my diabetes or my 40 cigs a day or my 18 stone. In fact I am very active and reasonably fit and work hard but I live MY life. Im'e going to put it down to too much consentration of the spices as thats about the only link I can find. It does seem to happen when I have a particularly spicy one and I did overdo the ginger in it yesterday.
Incidently , my mention of the Green Chilli Sauce and that I couldn't finish off eating the curry and that I saved what was left in the pan to play with.
Well , it did go in the fridge in a container. I made a very normal curry tonight with no chilli input at all. I spooned out from the fridge container , just 2 desert spoons of the mix and added it to tonights pan. it was lovely , medium and my commanding officer loved it too. As tonights was again for 2 people it just goes to show how last nights was extreme strength. 
Once again thanks to everyones input and help.

Quote from: Mikka on November 20, 2009, 02:11 PM
Does it happen at other times?

Quote from: Spice-as-Nice on November 20, 2009, 02:02 PM
No, not the toilet thing. That one ( and the ring of fire ) seems to be a hit and miss afair that i can't fathom.  Sometimes I get it and sometimes I don't. Doesnt matter how hot or mild the curry was either. No, im'e talking about something completely different . This is not just a rear end thing , this is a whole body experience.

NO, it's only now and again with a curry. Rarely it happens with a takeaway. Keep in mind my origonal post. My wife has had the Knock too.  Just a few curries ago ( I was OK with the same curry ) . At the time , she felt so rough she said " im'e never going to have one again" but she has.
No, I don't drink alcohol ( only maybe at a wedding or something like that ) I am insulin dependant diabetic ( but my wife isn't ) but I got the Knock even years ago even before I was diabetic . My son's had the knock a couple of times ( not the ring of fire ) in the past . He got them so bad that he now only has a curry on a Friday or a Saturday so as not to risk having the knock on a workday. Thats not the only reason he limits though , in his case it's the ring of fire jobby that also puts him off.
Googling the typical medicinal uses of "our" spices I find a profusion of information regarding lowering or raising blood pressure , heart rate , dhioretic effects , Turmeric = curcumin active compound , cancer reducing etc etc etc. Some of these are longterm effects but many are mentioned as instant ( like a drug ). I am wondering if this is what im'e talking about .

Quote from: PaulP on November 20, 2009, 01:48 PM
My curries don't seem to do that to me - thank god!

I can recall from ages ago when I used to eat much hotter food sitting on the loo the next day feeling really dicky and getting into a cold sweat - it that the sort of thing you mean by the "KNOCK" or is it something else?

No, not the toilet thing. That one ( and the ring of fire ) seems to be a hit and miss afair that i can't fathom.  Sometimes I get it and sometimes I don't. Doesnt matter how hot or mild the curry was either. No, im'e talking about something completely different . This is not just a rear end thing , this is a whole body experience.

Quote from: Mikka on November 20, 2009, 12:35 PM
OMG! 
No wonder. Careful with that stuff. You only need a little, and its best to add some and see where its going first but beware your tongue will numb fooling you a little.

Glad you are ok now though, are you?

No, not 100% OK yet at 1.30 pm .

Now , my commanding officer has gone out Christmas shopping. She says she wants a curry for when she gets back about 5pm. I still have loads n loads of fresh Corander and Methi in the fridge. Ime drinking tea and coffee about every 20 minutes or so. Maybe by about 4pm I will be back to my normal self . ( FAT BALD OLD 40-a-day Git ). Now I see many mentions about this grean sauce but no-one commented yet on THE KNOCK . Does anyone out there know what im'e talking about ? or is it just me ? As I mention above , it doesn't happen often . Maybe about 1 in ten . I think it's when I go a bit overboard on the spices. Iv'e had the same thing happen ( rare ) with a takaway. I am talking about something that knocks you sideways  Big Time. Like you might have eaten something really well dodgy but you havn't. It comes on very slight as your'e eating the curry. You know it's going to happen but you put it to the back of your mind and keep eating but then by the time you have finished the curry its there and getting worse.  It's probably about 30 minutes to an hour after that it peaks. At that point im'e eating ice cream , drinking milk , glugging Gaviscon , eating chocolate as all these things seem to ease the symptoms.  Im'e no wakky backy man or anything like that but I would imagine it's something like taking soemthing of that ilk . So come on, whats your thoughts ?

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