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#1921
As Im relatively new to curry cooking Ive only used 3 different bases up to now.  One recipe I saw on youtube with tons of onions, garlic and ginger, and lots of water, CBMs recipe, and the C2go.  So far, I think there is a lot of mileage in Julian's recipe and the techniques and ideas behind it.  I liked the idea of using a pressure cooker and opted for a 4 L Prestige high dome, to use for the 3 L C2go recipe.  Now what about that "taste", "smell" "aroma", "vinegar"?  First time Ive used a pressure cooker so to I was a bit unsure of how much hissing should be going on.  The smell of the seasoned oil was very dominant very soon after the heat was turned up and up to pressure.  Spent some time hovering around the cooker sniffing away like a demented blood hound.  Nothing noticed to start with, i.e. no change in the smell.  I figured perhaps it would take longer due to the smaller pressure cooker (12 lb weight thingy).  After about 40 mins still no change, so I thought Id let things cool and have a look to see what was happening.  The onions were very soft.  Lots of sweetness, more than Id experienced before.  But I was using Dutch onions for the first time and thought they may be responsible, so I brought everything back up to pressure again.  15 mins later still no change in smell.  The kitchen was still full of the seasoned oil smell, which is very nice btw and did smell like a curry house. 

Id basically given up on finding the change in aroma and decided to switch off the heat (after popping outside for a breath of fresh air).  Thing is, my extraction fan vents outside directly and once out in the fresh air for a couple of minutes I caught the smell from the vent.  That was it.  Distinct change in aroma!  Difficult to describe it.  I can see how Julian would use vinegar as a comparison, but it was somehow much deeper, acrid, and almost sulpher-like? Julian also mentions in his book sulphites amongst other being produced/released during cooking of the onions.  I quickly ran in and took the pan off the heat.  After letting things cool down again the lid came off and I was greeted by an unbelievable rich smell.  The onions had darkened significantly.  I guess this is just caramelisation (or partial caramelisation).  Whilst giving everything a careful mix I found the dark "syrup" like substance at the bottom of the pan Julian refers to, and plenty of it.  The taste of this sludgy stuff was clearly the source of the aroma.  I havent seen this before using other base recipes/techniques.  Has anyone else?  Is it complete caramelisation or something else? Is this like the bunjarra?  I haven't made any as yet.

Ive definitely produced my best curries so far using this base.  Significantly better. But I havent by any means mastered the cooking of the currys themselves, and as curryhell said in an earlier post somewhere " .... a good base in the hands of someone with poor technique will at best product an average home made curry".  A way to go for me yet but Ill be sticking with the C2go base. Looked a bit more into the relationship between sulpher-like compounds in food and found that "allyl propyl disulfide" is the principle substance in onion oil, which has a very pungent smell. Commercially made onion oil is apparently extracted from onion cores using a process involving steam.  Perhaps this (in sufficient quantity) then is an intrinsic factor, or at least relevant in the BIR taste, specifically the base itself.  Presumably oils from the other ingredients will also be produced, which then blend in to produce that elusive aroma found in good BIR? I suppose one argument against this is that bases tend to be fairly bland when diluted, although reduction when making the curry itself I gather is an important stage.  Alternatively Im talking complete bollox.  :)

Rob   
 

#1922
Quote from: Secret Santa on September 07, 2012, 10:22 PM
Quote from: getonthegarabi on September 07, 2012, 09:04 PM
Dans chicken madras recipe.  Made this many times with Mick Crawfords and Julians base and its wonderful.  Quite a lot of mango chutney in there and it works a treat I think.  With Jalpur gm added at the end its awesome.

http://www.greatcurryrecipes.net/2012/01/22/how-to-make-chicken-madras-a-curry-house-favourite/

He is from the USA.  I have no idea why I thought he was an Aussie.

:)

Mango chutney and GM added at the end...definitely not typical BIR madras.

Theres no tomato in the recipe either, but its very nice with the mango.  I added some fresh curry leaves at the start and my own mix powder, and the gm at the end finished it off nicely.  Perhaps it should have a name of its own?  the TA/BIRs near me also do a madras that could do with new name as well. Honest some of them are totally rank.  Theres a new one opened recently that I havent checked out yet though.  Can't make up my mind if its worth the effort.  Thing is they do a "Stuffed and Puffed" deep fried naan main (stuffed with your fav curry).  Now that sounds like another wrong un to me. Although it would be quite filling I suppose. But.  Any suggestions for a proper bir madras Santa?  I'm thinking about trying 976s recipe.  Rob.  :)
#1923
Quote from: Secret Santa on September 08, 2012, 03:21 PM
Quote from: getonthegarabi on September 08, 2012, 12:49 PMMy butchers sells quality British chicken breast for 5 quid a kilo (sometimes less), no added water

But how would you know for sure? I suppose if it doesn't leak the tell tale white gunk then it's a fair bet but I wouldn't be convinced.

Good point. Ive never actually asked him.  Its certainly superior to most available at the supermarkets, and as good as the pricey options I feel.  Obviously not full of water/saline, no gunk, and the right amount of shrinkage when cooked.  I shall ask him.  He is open that the whole/half legs of lamb he sells are NZ at the moment, but the chops are UK I think. There are loads of Halal butchers near me as well and there produce is also top notch and reasonably priced.  Got some today; 4.80 per kilo.
#1924
Amazes me how people put up with most of the chicken from supermarkets, particularly the Dutch stuff, which is absolutely pumped full of water.  It's not as if its cheap either,  7-9 quid a kilo, and the so called British farm chicken anything up to 12 quid a kilo.  Madness.  My butchers sells quality British chicken breast for 5 quid a kilo (sometimes less), no added water, and he's happy to butterfly cut/cube or whatever I want.  Dont even get me started on lamb.  The good lady wanted something from M & S yesterday.  The parking was free for 90 mins but you have pay and display a quid ticket, which is refunded when you make a minimum purchase of 3 quid in the shop.  I said to the missus you wont have much trouble spending 3 quid in here.  She bought some blackberries and that was the parking sorted.  Lamb Chops. You can get 4 for 14.80! I had to laugh.  :)
#1925
Spices / Re: standing on the sholders of giants
September 07, 2012, 09:32 PM
Quote from: 976bar on September 07, 2012, 06:50 AMThe Chalice Oil was my find, but alas have not seen or used it since :(

Managed to find the Chalice Oil at an Asda Hypermarket the other day Bob.  Think Ill stock up if its starting to be in short supply.
#1926
Dans chicken madras recipe.  Made this many times with Mick Crawfords and Julians base and its wonderful.  Quite a lot of mango chutney in there and it works a treat I think.  With Jalpur gm added at the end its awesome.

http://www.greatcurryrecipes.net/2012/01/22/how-to-make-chicken-madras-a-curry-house-favourite/

He is from the USA.  I have no idea why I thought he was an Aussie.

:)

#1927
I thnk hes from Australia originally and now lives in the UK.
#1928
Pictures of Your Curries / Re: Blades Chicken tikka
September 07, 2012, 05:43 PM
Steve! They were absolutely amazing!  Really.  Havent had chops like them since Rusholme in the 90s.  In fact mine were better.  Did them on the barbeque. One thing that threw me though was I was expecting to pick up on the taste of the paste (I thought Id added too much originally).  But these chops were just perfect.  Fabulous taste.  Perhaps the 48 h marinade? Had thought about changing the recipe in future to leave out the paste and instead use tandoori powder and add my own tamarind.  But after last night Ill make then exactly the same next time; and soon.  Actually Ill alter the colour to be more red, but thats a minor adjustment.  I did take some pics with my phone but they dont do them justice.  Next time Ill get the camera sorted. Rob.  :)
#1929
Dan is a top bloke.  Learned many things from his website when I first started up.  Still make his chicken madras recipe with mango chutney; love it.  Not keen on the look of that Lamb Saagwala though.  To be fair its not my fav dish anyway.  He's started doing some smoked spices recently that look very interesting.
#1930
Pictures of Your Curries / Re: Blades Chicken tikka
September 06, 2012, 11:49 AM
Quote from: SteveAUS on September 05, 2012, 10:44 AM
Quote from: getonthegarabi on September 05, 2012, 10:26 AM
Many thanks Blade and Steve. 

Good to hear but I didnt do anything but use a recipe from here and put up some pics of the result.
Cheers
Steve

Ah yes Steve, but what a result.  Had you not posted the pics I would have missed the recipe completely and still be making so so tikka.  And tonight thanks to you Ill be having my lamb chops.  They're ready and look amazing and I know the taste will be fantastic.  My yoghurt-laden marinade did not work at all with lamb, let alone lamb chops.  I would have had to marinade the meat for at least a month!  Rob  :)