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#181
Balti Dishes / Re: Dipuraja's Chicken Tikka Balti
January 13, 2012, 10:16 AM
Hey YMD,

Quote from: Yakmandoo on December 02, 2011, 09:52 AM
for me this was a very indulgent tasting curry the likes of which i shall be making again, give it a go see what you think.

Sounds like you're having fun with Dip's base and subsequent dishes?  I've actually done this myself, used minced lamb and made a 'kofta curry'.  It really does make a pleasant change from the usual meat or chicken.

Well done mate,

Ray :)
#182
Curry Base Chat / Re: Unwanted flavour
January 13, 2012, 10:08 AM
Hi prawnsalad,

Quote from: prawnsalad on January 13, 2012, 01:37 AM
Out of the veg I was thinking Carrot, green pepper or Celery. Now I will ditch the Celery first.

I would defo ditch the celery first.  Carrot should offer a sweet note, whereas the pepper should offer a savoury note.  To be fair, so should celery but too much will kill it IMO.  To be honest though, you really don't need either!  I have developed a very useful base without using any veg other than onions.  I'm not for one minute suggesting that you ditch this base altogether, especially if you have spent time developing it but have a read of this> https://curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=4596.0 and you will see where I'm coming from.

Ray :)
#183
Quote from: 976bar on January 12, 2012, 11:47 PM
Thanks for pointing that out Razor, I had not made this for ages, but will now give it another go :)

No problem Bob, two birds with one stone and all that ;)

Ray :)
#184
Hey Franco,

This may be close mate https://curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=3924.0

Hope that helps?

Ray :)
#185
Well, here's the verdict.!

So, after a day's experimenting with this base, and again, I stress that it's NOT the c2go base but a variation of it, I made a good old Chicken tikka madras.

Once the first ladle of base sauce went in, I couldn't believe how quickly it reduced down. It virtually just turned to oil within minutes.  I quickly added my next ladle (about 100ml) and this time, it mixed well with all the other ingredients.  Heat on high, with lid on, I carried on cooking the sauce.

I got this to reduce to about half again, then added a further 100ml of the base.  The smell was great but I was also worried about, spice overload. 

I gave it another minute or so, then knocked off the heat.

Whilst the sauce was relaxing, I grilled a batch of blades chicken tikka (I'd forgotten how good this is).  Whilst the chicken was under the grill, I stepped outside to regain my sense of smell.  If anybody could have seen me, they would have phoned the funny farm.  I was breathing in and out of my nose like a raging bull on heat :o

Anyhoo, the tikka was done.  I put the sauce back on a low light, just to heat it through, and added the tikka.  I took it off immediately, and served on a bed of plain boiled basmati rice.

The reason I didn't give the chicken any further cooking in the sauce was because I didn't want ANY other flavours permeating the sauce.

On my first taste, my initial thought was that it wasn't as sweet as I'd hoped it would be.  However, after a couple of mouthfulls, I no longer thought that, as there was a lovely sweetness coming through after each swallow.  Then, the heat took over from the madras and it almost obstructed what it was that I was looking for.  Luckily, I could still appreciate the sauce for what it was.

I guess my final thoughts with regards to this base is, It's not a break through in terms of "it stands out from any other base that you could possibly try" but it is a good base.  The taste of the final dish was almost identical to what I usually make using Chewy's base and my spice mix, which unfortunately, throws up more questions than answers.  Is my spice mix too powerful to be able to pick out other flavours individually?  Is the base gravy all that important as long as it has the key ingredients, onions, garlic, ginger and minimal spices?

I suppose that the next test would be to try this base with a milder dish or even a simpler mixed powder?

The real acid test would be to make the c2g base to exact spec, including the seasoned oil?

Overall, a very usable base, very easy to make, no major break through I'm afraid, well not as yet.

I'm going to have another go tomorrow, after the base has matured for a day and my senses have returned to normal, and perhaps do a basic curry?

Many thanks for sticking with me on this one, I only wished that I could have brought you something more encouraging.

Ray :)
#186
Mr Director

Quote from: TheDirector on January 12, 2012, 08:55 PM
  It makes me wonder whether I could achieve a quality meat BIR dish without a base sauce....  though I guess i risk being shouted down suggesting that!

How Very Dare you?Re: New Base Gravy from visit to Saffron

Ray :o
#187
Quote from: Ian S. on January 12, 2012, 07:26 PM

I think I made the biggest breakthrough when I relaxed a bit, and started concentrating on just trying to make nice food. I stopped trying to add all sorts of weird and wonderful things to the base, and just worked on pan technique. As long as the usual suspects are in the base I'm happy. I backed off on spice amounts quite a lot, too.

Exactly.  I think we should all start to pat ourselves on the back a little bit more if I'm honest.  I know I've said this many times before but we ARE better than we give ourselves credit for.  Ok, I agree, there has been a change in the BIR flavour over the years but c'mon fellas, surely we must be almost there?

I hear it quite often on here that "the local TA's/BIR's aren't as good as they used to be" fair enough, but we are a hell of a lot better than we used to be too.! Does anybody not think that we are matching them, punch for punch?

Well done Ian, and thanks for sharing your personal journey mate.

Ray :)
#188
Quote from: Whandsy on January 12, 2012, 05:06 PM
Keep it up Ray, its like watching corrie!! LOL   ;D ;D

He he, I wish I could add sound effects, the Eastenders 'dum dum dum da dum' drum role would be very apt ;D

Ray :)
#189
Quote from: Ian S. on January 12, 2012, 04:42 PM
And just after that would have been about the time I joined CR0. :)

And the rest, as they say, is history :)

Ray :)
#190
Ok, the base is done.

I've ended up with 6.5L of sauce after sieving.

Like I said I would, I sieved the base and removed 8 level tbs, (120ml) of fibrous matter, measured with my measuring spoons.  I tasted the gunk, and it was well rank :o

The taste of the actual base is quite sweet but not as sweet as I expected, however, it is quite savoury.  I'm thinking that this could be down to the knorr stock pot that I put in at the start and I'm beginning to wish that I hadn't included it.  Not because it has spoilt the taste but because it is no longer suitable for vegetarians, and a bonafide BIR gravy should be and that it what we should be trying to create..!

It doesn't taste much like curry as such, and hasn't got any noticeable level of heat, which should make it versatile for mild dishes.  There is however, a very noticeable onion/garlic flavour to it, which you would expect.  Maybe the hing has helped bring this flavour to the front.  Again, I wished that I hadn't have included it now because I should have let the onions speak for themselves, and now I don't know if they have? :-\

Texture; it is very smooth and runny.  Obviously, the sieving has contributed to this.  If anybody has seen Chewys 3 hr base video, the gravy just runs off the spoon, leaving it very clean, this gravy behaves in the exact same way.

It has been about 10 minutes since I tasted the base and as I sit here typing, the taste is still with me.  If you could imagine keeping your mouth closed, opening your jaw, then force the air in your mouth out, through your nose, that's what I'm doing now (wife looking at me like I've totally lost it :-\ ) and I'm getting that familiar, albeit subtle BIR aroma, which is encouraging.

Quote from: curryhell on January 12, 2012, 03:58 PM
Can't wait for the next instalment Ray.  Are you planning on making a curry with it tonight?

Is the pope a Catholic? Hell yes I am lol ;D  But, with all these gravy shenanigans going on, I've not prepared any chicken :(

I just need to point out, this base is NOT Julians Curry2go base but an experimental base using his method.

Ray :)