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#131
Lets Talk Curry / Re: Where's Pete?
July 08, 2006, 10:40 AM
curryqueen, people like you make me despair. You probably still believe that the moon is made of cheese (Paneer, of course!).
I object to your objection to the 'salt' thread, nobody forces you to read or partake in it.


P.S.  I too miss Pete's posts, but equally I am enjoying Haldi's, they have a ring of authenticity to them.
#132
Don't you people suffer from garlic breath? Where I used to work there was one chap who was hypersensitive to it and refused to be within 10 metres of me when I'd had a curry the night before. In fact although I love garlic I don't like smelling it on other people's breath either, strange eh?

YF
#133
Curry Base Chat / Re: 50 ltr of base sauce
July 02, 2006, 08:33 AM
Quote from: Dirtynunfishing on July 01, 2006, 10:21 PM
Can we stop all this talk about salt when its just so bad for you anyway.



Salt is absolutely neccessary for a healthy body and......no, wait, I think I'll quit while I'm ahead!

YF
#134
Curry Base Chat / Re: 50 ltr of base sauce
July 01, 2006, 03:49 PM
QuoteOnce again: salt isn't particularly  hygroscopic. And the amount of moisture it can pick up in ambient conditions is quite small and not very rapid. So whereas sugar, for example, can go on taking on moisture under the right conditions until it becomes a liquid, salt doesn't do that.


Fact 1: Pure salt will adsorb water from the atmosphere causing surface 'melting' on the salt crystals. This then recrystalises, attaching to surrounding crytals in the process which causes the clumping effect.
Fact 2: The rate at which salt adsorbs water and the degree to which it is adsorbed is irrelevant to this discussion. All that counts is the mechanism by which clumping occurs as in Fact 1.

QuoteThe anti-caking agents just keep it flowable for salt cellars where even the slightest caking will cause problems

Fact: anti-caking agents are added to pure salt to absorb the water which would otherwise be taken up by the salt, hence preventing caking.

So yes, anti-caking agents are added to salt to maintain its flow charcteristics, but they do this by preventing the salt from adsorbing water and you just don't seem to get this.



QuoteThe biggest effect on mass.....


Do what? The mass isn't affected in any way. You can consolidate the salt any way you want, the density will increase but the mass of salt doesn't change at all.



QuoteBut we were  just joking, right?


I don't know about you but I take anything I read on this forum with a pinch of salt.  ;)

YF
#135
Curry Base Chat / Re: 50 ltr of base sauce
July 01, 2006, 08:35 AM
Quote from: Fat Les on July 01, 2006, 08:17 AM
Sorry guys! I find it quite astounding that such drivel gets so much attention and so many postings!  ;D 

Fat Les, do you have the wit to see the irony in your statement?

By the way, your moniker, does it imply that you are just fat or are you actually a Fat Les... hmm, perhaps I shouldn't go there  ;D
#136
Curry Base Chat / Re: 50 ltr of base sauce
July 01, 2006, 08:06 AM
To snowdog:

Quote from: snowdog on June 30, 2006, 11:25 PM

Salt isn't particularly hygroscopic, so hygroscopicity isn't really an issue

Sorry mate you need to do better research. Salt is quite hygroscopic which is why anti-caking agents are always included in retail salt to prevent it clumping together.

Quote from: snowdog on June 30, 2006, 11:25 PM

Since table salt also contains flow aids

and there you go contradicting your own argument!


To CurryCanuck:

Quote from: CurryCanuck on July 01, 2006, 04:15 AM
Why would you freeze volume when fresh is better ( except for the end product of a base sauce )

Beacause we don't all have leisurely lives where we can take the time to prepare from fresh.

Quote from: CurryCanuck on July 01, 2006, 04:15 AM
Control of volume ingredients is difficult at the best of times...far better to use " a workable quantity " and maintain quality .

On a domestic level, control of volume gets more accurate the larger the amount of recipe you produce, so your statement is 100% incorrect.

Quote from: CurryCanuck on July 01, 2006, 04:15 AM
... bland and non-decrypt so be it . Perhaps we should stick litmus paper into the sauce to see what the acid-base complex is !!!???

Now who's turning it into a science fair? You've even introduced encryption into the argument!   :P


Quote from: CurryCanuck on July 01, 2006, 04:15 AM

PS - quotes from google searches perporting to be your own material now border on the tiresome . Cut and paste does not exemplify knowledge !

Who was cutting and pasting, it certainly wasn't me?  At this 'childrens' level of science, I don't need to refer to anything other than my own knowledge.


YF
#137
Curry Base Chat / Re: 50 ltr of base sauce
June 30, 2006, 10:00 PM
Blimey snowdog! And I thought I was pedantic!

But just to be absolutely correct, the hygroscopic nature of salt is more likey to have a greater effect than the variation in density due to compaction, because the salt would effectively be uncompacted as it is measured out.

Honestly George, look what you've started. If only you'd said mass.   :-[

#138
Curry Base Chat / Re: 50 ltr of base sauce
June 30, 2006, 07:28 PM
Quote from: George on June 30, 2006, 06:49 PM
Err, excuse me but, in the context of this thread, it was my argument.

Hi George. I don't mind who's argument it was as long as common sense prevails.  ::)
#139
Curry Base Chat / Re: 50 ltr of base sauce
June 30, 2006, 06:18 PM
Ian and merrybaker's arguments and references are so full of holes I barely know where to begin so I won't bother. Suffice to say that my argument that you scale proportionally is correct. If you want ten times the amount of curry that you usually cook, just multiply everything by ten.

What I should have stated, although I thought it was blindingly obvious and so didn't, is that if you scale up and use the same cooking methods that you would use for the smaller portion, then yes it will probably turn out different.

For example, say your recipe calls for lightly browning one onion. Great, you think, you get your big pot out and throw ten onions in because you've decided to scale up by ten. At the end of the cooking time you find that the onions don't quite have the same caramelisation that you find with the small batch. And of course they won't, because you're not cooking like for like. What you've done is sweat the onions because you've got too many in a bigger pan and not enough heat. You've changed your technique!

So you see it's not that the scaling up by ten that hasn't worked, it's that you've cooked it differently. Therefore let me restate my initial claim:

To the question "when scaling up a recipe, do I scale up the ingredients proportionally", the answer is a very incontrovertible YES, providing you have the wit and common sense to realise that you will need to modify your cooking method to suit.

Also cooking is definitely a science, it's just that those who have mastered it make it look like an art.
#140
Curry Base Chat / Re: 50 ltr of base sauce
June 29, 2006, 04:20 PM
Hi Ian

I wasn't having  go at anyone in particular, I just felt that sometimes, as in this case, common sense doesn't seem to prevail. This topic and other similar ones crop up regularly and for someone who has been with the forum since day 1 it just gets a bit tiresome.

YF