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#11
Quote from: Cory Ander on May 30, 2009, 08:47 AM
Quote from: The Kris Dhillon on May 30, 2009, 08:21 AM
It is often a whole spice blend, but in some regions of India it is sometimes roasted and ground and used to marinate meat.

Thanks Kris, I didn't appreciate that Panch Phoran is used ground too, though I can see no reason why not to  :P

There are few hard and fast rules in cooking as is clearly evident with all the individual creativity from people on this site.  Cooking would not be much fun if we all did exactly the same thing.  Kris
#12
Quote from: SnS on May 29, 2009, 11:44 AM
Thanks for your input here Kris.

QuoteFinally, the dried 'methi' (Kasoori Methi) available in packets from Indian grocers is a different variety of fenugreek considered to be far superior in flavour and aroma than the variety generally available fresh in the UK.  This is the variety that is usually grown in India to use fresh or dried. You can buy Kasoori Methi seeds online.

I planted fenugreek seeds (the spice type - not from a garden centre) last year (see earleir post). The resulting leaves were dried in the airing cupboard and I am still using these. I really cannot taste/smell/see the difference between these homegrown leaves and the prepacked dried methi leaves. Is it likely that the fenugreek seeds I used were the better quality 'Kasoori Methi' then? I am growing more this year from the same seeds and they are already filling the greenhouse with a smell of curry.

Rgds
SnS  :-\

Hi SnS, it is highly unlikely that the seeds you had were Kasoori Methi seeds (which by the way is not necessarily a better quality, rather a different variety considered - by Indians - to be better.  When fresh it has a slightly sweeter flavour and aroma than the 'common' fenugreek).  It is more likely that because you grew your own good quality herb, you ended up with a better product than something that may have been in the packet a long time.  Anyway, I think the difference between the two when dried is not worth worrying about.  However, if you intend to use it fresh, Kasoori Methi may be worth chasing up although you seem to be doing just fine with the seed you have.  Kris
#13
Quote from: Cory Ander on May 29, 2009, 01:18 PM
Quote from: The Kris Dhillon on May 28, 2009, 06:31 AM
Fenugreek seeds are also sometimes used ground in spice mixes such as Panch Phoran.

Hi Kris,

It's interesting that you say that the fenugreek seeds are used ground in Panch Phoran?  I understood that they were used whole in this spice mix? 

If this is the case, are any of the other whole spices (i.e. cumin, fennel, mustard and wild onion seeds) also used ground in Panch Phoran?
Hi Cory,  as with most spices mixes, recipes vary from region to region (and restaurant to restaurant). As I'm sure you already know, Panch Phoran simply means '5 spice mix'.  It is often a whole spice blend, but in some regions of India it is sometimes roasted and ground and used to marinate meat.  Kris
#14
Quote from: SnS on May 09, 2008, 08:11 PM
George

I've just dry fried a handful of fresh methi and the aroma is definately not as intense as the dried stuff? We need more info - I think.
Hi Everyone,

I may have weighed into this debate a little too late but fenugreek in all its forms (seed, fresh leaves, dried leaves) is very common in Indian cooking, particularly in the north of India where I come from. 

As you have already discovered, it has a distinct "curryish" flavour and different forms of fenugreek vary in intensity of flavour and aroma, but that does not mean that one is better than other - they all have their uses and all of them are quite delicious.  The seeds when fried in hot oil or ghee are quite pungent and are typically used to flavour certain curries that would otherwise be quite bland, for example those made with marrows or yoghurt.  Fenugreek seeds are also sometimes used ground in spice mixes such as Panch Phoran. The fresh leaves are prized when they are in season and are often used like spinach to make a vegetable side dish (sometimes with potatoes), with chicken or lamb (like the Chicken Methiwalla in The New Curry Secret)or in bhajis (like onion bhaji only with fenugreek leaves).  When sundried, fenugreek leaves become more pungent and aromatic and are generally used in smaller amounts to add a good robust flavour to just about anything you want.

Fenugreek is one of the easiest herbs to grow.  You can use the fenugreek seeds from your Indian grocer, there is no need to pay more for a packet of seeds, and simply sprinkle them onto damp soil or compost.  Lightly cover with more soil or compost and germination will occur within days, particularly if the weather is warm.  You can harvest them within 3 - 4 weeks of sowing, and if you sow a small amount regularly you will have a supply all through the summer.  Always fry the fresh leaves in your ghee or oil along with the onions, garlic and ginger to bring out the flavour.  The dried leaves, on the other hand should be stirred in towards the end of cooking.

Finally, the dried 'methi' (Kasoori Methi) available in packets from Indian grocers is a different variety of fenugreek considered to be far superior in flavour and aroma than the variety generally available fresh in the UK.  This is the variety that is usually grown in India to use fresh or dried. You can buy Kasoori Methi seeds online.  It is just as easy to grow and you can save the seed each year.

Kris
#15
Quote from: JerryM on May 07, 2009, 08:03 AM
i think it may not have been the browser. it looked as if Kris had typed without realising inside the quote codes "[ quote ][ /quote ]" instead of adding at the end after the fwd slash quote.

i find using the preview helps to keep the human error down. the spell checker is also a must for me!
mmm.  Is that right?  Kris
#16
Quote from: JerryM on May 09, 2009, 08:14 AM
Quote from: lightboy on May 08, 2009, 02:10 PM
It seems i waS on the right lines ages ago as i have been frying and adding methi leaves to My Base https://curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=2702


Lightboy,

i guess from your base recipe in the link the methi is dry and not the fresh. have u tried the fresh. it's certainly different the idea of having methi in the base. i'm still not sold on it but feel given what u say i should try it. i'm thinking the fresh though?

Quote from: lightboy on May 08, 2009, 02:10 PM
oh also Kris if you read this try adding fried/toasted panch phoran (bengali spice mix)i think this is the last piece of the jigsaw ..

If you like the panch phoran spice blend I think you might like the Salmon Kalia and Goan Fish Curry that are in The New Curry Secret.  If you don't have the book, I can let you have the recipes.  Kris

i have a bag of panch puran bought when i used to make my own garam masala. again using this in the base as part of the spice mix is certainly different. i use fennel already and effectively would be adding mustard, fenugreek and nigela. something to try for sure.

PS,

My new KD2 book is at the delivery office and going to collect it this morning.
#17
Quote from: JerryM on May 09, 2009, 04:11 PM
have now got the new curry secret book and well impressed.

so far only read the back page and the 1st few chapters. "tantalizing allure" set the scene for me.

it's not a BIR cookbook - SnS i think pointed this out in an earlier post. (with this site do we need one?)

it does have an immense amount of recipes though which must have involved an immense amount of effort on KD's part. they look tantalising and i feel will be a bit of light relief from our relentless BIR madness.

the only area that does not sit too well with me is the use of garam masala as the main spice (albeit other individual spices are also used to supplement it) - there is no mention of curry powder or spice mix. the KD1 recipes i've found (following Secret Santa's prompt) are much better if the garam is substituted with curry powder.

that said - very pleased with the purchase.
[/Hi Jerry,
The only curry powder I'm familiar with is the British version you buy from supermarkets.  I use it for what I call my English curries.  What spices are in the one that you use?. I use a little garam masala in most things as I think it really rounds things off.  Kris]
#18
Quote from: Unclebuck on May 04, 2009, 04:39 PM
Hi Kris i hope you don't mind me editing your posts as i assume your browser is not working too well with forum boards, i have to change the quotes around the make the post more readable for continuity. appreciate your input. UB.

No problem, what do I need to do to make my browser work better?  Kris
#19
Quote from: Bobby Bhuna on May 01, 2009, 12:20 PM
Quote from: haldi on May 01, 2009, 07:57 AM
This IS Kris
Check the email details

Thanks for joining the chat, Kris
I'll be getting your book too

Someone could have registered with one email address then changed it to that one. Can we get Admin or a moderator to send an email to confirm that she has indeed registered?

Hi Bobby Bhuna,

get on to my website www.thecurrysecret.co.uk  click onto Contact Kris and e-mail me through the website.

Kris
#20
Quote from: JerryM on April 30, 2009, 05:49 PM
barrie44,

i must admit i'm not a particularly trusting sole and it had crossed my mind too. what put me off was the "the" in the name which i felt was not the KD i'd felt i'd come to know (through the KD1 book).

but hey ho does it matter if it's a win win.

Yes it does sound a bit pompous doesn't it?  But when I registered there was a Kris Dhillon registered already and that was the first thing that came to mind.  The Kris Dhillon who wrote The Curry Secret seemed a bit long.  Kris