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Unclefrank,the lack of using a base put me off - i guess "as is" it's for those in the traditional camp.i am keen to be able to make balti. is it something that could be adapted to BIR method. i've not really been able to get anywhere close to date.this is what i used last: oil, garlic, onion, green pepper, base, fresh coriander, black pepper, LB spice mix. the trouble is it's still a bit off.