I've ordered from two different places online because I can't source Asian/Indian bay leaves locally and they were totally flavourless and got returned for a refund. Proper Asian bay leaves are very flavoursome and very different to European bay. The two cannot be substituted. Contrary to what Sverige says though when I used to be able to buy them locally (I think they were TRS brand, which are now the standard European bay!) there was no mistaking them as they have a very distinct flavour without any cooking at all if you just chew on one. And this comes through when they are used freshly ground in garam masala.