Very please with progress on these Phil

. Had a bit of luck with a few things dropping into place. My local kebab shop insist that no binders, gram flour etc, are used in their kebabs, although 1 egg per kilo mix can be used, but not essential. The chef just kept mentioning good quality chicken thigh mince and the standard "lacing" of the meat together by hand. I'd tried various powders that produced decent kebabs but none came even close to the texture of the kebab shop item.
I later found a trad Pakistani recipe that involved papaya added to the mince. At the time I thought, blimey, it must be a tough cut of meat if it needs tenderising after going through a mincer. Then found another similar recipe explaining that the papaya "works wonders" for the texture of the kebab. So it seemed papain texturises the meat. Figured as kebab shop seekh is such cheap food there is no way they are using them (at around