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Curry Chat => Lets Talk Curry => Topic started by: sp on October 14, 2012, 02:37 PM
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Well, that's not strictly true - I ruined my madras by putting in a whole teaspoon of Mr Naga chilli pickle. I hadn't tried it before and was unsure on how much to add. It completely overpowered the dish, not in a good way!
The pickle didn't add the heat I was expecting, just an off-putting smoky kind of taste that for me, detracted from the whole dish - couldn't taste anything of the other flavours and I couldn't eat much of it.
It was slightly better after sitting in the fridge overnight but has made my wary of using it again.
How are your experiences with this pickle and how much do you typically use?
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I use Mr Naga quite a bit and I do enjoy it. I think if you want a bit of chilli depth with a long finish then it works quite well. I usually use 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoons in my curry.
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I use a rounded teaspoon of mr naga when I cook the Manzil Jafflong recipe posted on YouTube by C2G. Works well but it is a very strong flavour so could easily unbalance a dish if not balanced against other flavours. In the Jafflong those other flavours are a level tsp of garam masala and tsp of tandoori masala (amongst other ingredients).
I'm a big fan of mr naga in curries, but added indiscriminately with nothing to balance it, you will have trouble.
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In Mr Naga available online as I haven't seen it my local Indian grocers.
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I dont like the flavour that mr naga adds to the curry. as you say, it does not just add the heat but the different spice taste that i do not like.
Barry
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I'm afraid I only like it on poppadoms, I too think it swamps out all the other flavours from a curry, no matter how much you use.
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I'm afraid I only like it on poppadoms, I too think it swamps out all the other flavours from a curry, no matter how much you use.
Bob - having never tried I wonder is there anything else you would substitute when recipes call for this pickle?
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I'm afraid I only like it on poppadoms, I too think it swamps out all the other flavours from a curry, no matter how much you use.
Bob - having never tried I wonder is there anything else you would substitute when recipes call for this pickle?
Hi Stephen,
I sometimes make this, http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=8378.0 (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=8378.0)
which packs quite a punch but is not so strong in flavour, I sometimes also buy, "Ahmed Food", jar of Chilli pickle in oil. These pickles are not for the faint hearted and are up there among Mr Naga, but without that overpowering flavour.
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Hi Stephen
Lesson learnt, it doesn't belong in a Madras.
Wonderful stuff though, with its distinct "Naga" flavour and is part of my worktop essentials for numerous curries.
Just a bit common sense needed, where Mr.Naga pickle is concerned.
Laughing at myself as I type this, because I too cocked up a good Chicken Curry by adding 2 heaped tsps of freshly minced Green Naga.
Whoa, Off the bloody scale. Gutted, as the Chicken was prime meat. :o
I took a photo with the very fresh Naga as garnish, just before it went in the bin. :'(
cheers Chewy
(http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/64703a3b2cc6356f1cd6b46e7140d010.jpg) (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/#64703a3b2cc6356f1cd6b46e7140d010.jpg)
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Well, that's not strictly true - I ruined my madras by putting in a whole teaspoon of Mr Naga chilli pickle. I hadn't tried it before and was unsure on how much to add. It completely overpowered the dish, not in a good way!
The pickle didn't add the heat I was expecting, just an off-putting smoky kind of taste that for me, detracted from the whole dish - couldn't taste anything of the other flavours and I couldn't eat much of it.
It was slightly better after sitting in the fridge overnight but has made my wary of using it again.
How are your experiences with this pickle and how much do you typically use?
I'm a huge fan of Mr Naga and tend to use a good tablespoon in each dish, but as you've discovered it does have a distinctive taste and aroma (for which the naga is indeed most prized). It changes the characteristics of a curry dish completely (but wonderfully, IMHO) - you just need to be aware that whatever you add it to ceases to become a 'Chicken/Lamb Madras' or 'Chicken/Lamb Vindaloo', or 'Bhuna', or whatever, but a 'Chicken Naga'.
At least, that's what the restaurants and takeaways do round these parts, instantly elevating a standard dish from the basic menu to the chef's specials menu and hiking the price up from
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During the wilderness years, before making my own curries, the Chicken Naga Jalfrezi popular on the TA speciality lists here in Birmingham was a safe bet. Love the taste of Mr. Naga. Pile it in. It gives a rather satisfying indigestion. Liking the look of King and Queen Naga. Auto-purchase!
Rob :)
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Thanks everyone for your input and experiences, I'll give it another go at the weekend but use much less this time.
In Mr Naga available online as I haven't seen it my local Indian grocers.
I got mine off eBay although if I still don't gel with it there might be an almost full jar going spare if someone wants it for the price of postage (paypal accepted) ;D
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Thanks everyone for your input and experiences, I'll give it another go at the weekend but use much less this time.
In Mr Naga available online as I haven't seen it my local Indian grocers.
I got mine off eBay although if I still don't gel with it there might be an almost full jar going spare if someone wants it for the price of postage (paypal accepted) ;D
It's well worth trying to source it from an Asian supermarket/wholesaler. I'm not sure how much you pay on eBay, but the cheapest I've seen it online is
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Ahh! Nearly bought a bought a jar of Queen Naga online for ?4.50, but the postage was an additional ?4.50. Im not paying that. No stockists in the West Midlands either. Will have to stick with Mr. Naga for now; always under 2 quid a jar in the Asian shops near me.
Rob
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I must agree it does change the taste of a dish and as someone who cannot help but put it in to everything I am glad I am out of it for a while.
Very rarely can I stick to a stock curry IE a madras. I tend to open the cupboard and throw everything I find in it and lately I have tried to stop diong this.
Last night I slipped up by making what should of been a madras but with the addition of a fair amount of new potatoes and okra thrown in. I mainly do this to bulk the up the meal to make it last for a few days but I rarely post a picture to this site as all my dishes end up as hybrids.
I too make good use of the Ahmed chilli pickle and find it is a safer bet than Mr Naga.
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I'm not sure how much you pay on eBay
I was (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261095382612?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649)
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Thanks everyone for your input and experiences, I'll give it another go at the weekend but use much less this time.
In Mr Naga available online as I haven't seen it my local Indian grocers.
I got mine off eBay although if I still don't gel with it there might be an almost full jar going spare if someone wants it for the price of postage (paypal accepted) ;D
I'm with you mate. I bought a jar off ebay, cost me $17 delivered. It is definitely not to my taste.
I much prefer Asian (Chinese) chilli oil.....must try this in place of Naga on Julians Jaflon recipe
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Gets my vote every time in the phall and on the poppadums. But this thread just goes to prove how different our tastes are and what we're used to :D
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Just read the following off the Mr Vikkis site regarding the Queen Naga...
"Mr Vikki's Queen Naga pulls no punches, you might initially be disappointed by the size of the jar you receive, but I can guarantee you only need a small sample to give yourself stomach ulcers."
Probably not a good bit of marketing!
Now please do tell me... Does eating too much spicey food (especially curry) give you stomach ulcers?
Has anybody had any problems with their health (apart from piling on a few pounds) that they equate to too much spicey food etc?
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Now please do tell me... Does eating too much spicey food (especially curry) give you stomach ulcers?
Has anybody had any problems with their health (apart from piling on a few pounds) that they equate to too much spicey food etc?
My former g.p., herself from the sub-continent, once said to me "Curry, worry, chilli : very bad for tummy". She added black coffee to the list, too :(
** Phil.
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There is quite a market for crazy hot chili. Looked into it once, but a product called Daves Ghost Pepper sauce gave me a serious nose bleed. Never again. Mr Naga is fairly tame to aficionados. Check this nutter out:
Chilli SauceTests "Mr Naga Hot Pepper Pickle" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY5hGwo0AMI#)
Rob
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Does eating too much spicey food (especially curry) give you stomach ulcers?
Has anybody had any problems with their health (apart from piling on a few pounds) that they equate to too much spicey food etc?
Funnily enough I'm going to see about exactly that on Monday morning when I visit the doctor about recurring stomach ache (could almost set your watch by it!)... I'm hoping it's just a long-term side-effect of the medications I'm on for psoriatic arthritis (first showed signs at 21 but officially diagnosed at the ripe old age of 31, turned 37 this year) rather than something more insidious (like the big C) - I'm guessing IBS or stomach ulcer - guess what you should avoid? yep, spicy foods and alcohol... pity these are two of my favourite things ;D ::)
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There is quite a market for crazy hot chili. Looked into it once, but a product called Daves Ghost Pepper sauce gave me a serious nose bleed. Never again. Mr Naga is fairly tame to aficionados.
Here's a reprint of Jeremy Clarksons (famous motoring journalist/celeb of BBC Top Gear fame for the non-Brits amongst us) take on "Insanity" pepper sauce
http://www.nwcaching.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4920 (http://www.nwcaching.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4920)
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Re Robs video... Those Aussies do tend to like a bit of extreme sports, I watched him and his son tuck in to the Dorset Naga, they was mighty impressed, I may have to give it a go.
Hope your tests turn out ok Steph as I'm of an age now where everything is taking it's toll also. I've been over indulging in everything apart from smoking from an early age so now my mortality has become questionable. :-\
As for Clarkson that was quite a funny write up, he blows hot and cold with me so I wasn't too sure if I was hoping for his demise or not during his encounter with the Insanity sauce. ;D
As I mentioned earlier... I'm just glad I've run out of Mr Naga for a while.
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Funnily enough I'm going to see about exactly that on Monday morning when I visit the doctor about recurring stomach ache (could almost set your watch by it!)... I'm hoping it's just a long-term side-effect of the medications I'm on for psoriatic arthritis (first showed signs at 21 but officially diagnosed at the ripe old age of 31, turned 37 this year) rather than something more insidious (like the big C) - I'm guessing IBS or stomach ulcer - guess what you should avoid? yep, spicy foods and alcohol... pity these are two of my favourite things ;D ::)
Good luck, Stephen : hope everything turns out well for you.
** Phil.
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Hope all is well mate.
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Now please do tell me... Does eating too much spicey food (especially curry) give you stomach ulcers?
Has anybody had any problems with their health (apart from piling on a few pounds) that they equate to too much spicey food etc?
My former g.p., herself from the sub-continent, once said to me "Curry, worry, chilli : very bad for tummy". She added black coffee to the list, too :(
** Phil.
It's strange that a GP (and one from the sub-continent, where the health benefits of spices have been known for thousands of years) should make such a sweeping - and grossly incorrect statement.
While there is much evidence for the health benefits of the spices used in curry, there is no evidence that eating too much chilli is unhealthy, or that it causes ulcers. In fact, capsaicin is used in anti-inflammatory creams to treat ailments like arthritis and shingles. For even though it may feel as though the spice is setting your mouth on fire, capsaicin actually helps ease pain. That's because over time, capsaicin depletes the pain-causing neurotransmitter, Substance P. What's more, chillis may help you lose a little weight, as capsaicin helps suppress body fat accumulation (in particular, a 2009 study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found that capsaicin plays a role in abdominal fat loss). That may be because the spice alters key proteins found in fat, triggering them to break down fat.
While some people may have sensitive stomachs or perhaps medical conditions that too much chilli aggravates, as a long-term chilli and curry addict I can only speak from personal experience, which indicates that 35 years of daily indulgence has produced no ill effects whatsoever (bar the occasional 'morning after' discomfort after going a little too far :'().
As for health benefits accruing from other curry spices, cumin is a good source of iron, and studies have shown it may help lower blood glucose levels. It also has antibacterial properties, and has been found to be effective at killing Helicobacter pylori, a bacteria linked with stomach ulcers, while black cumin can help reduce inflammation associated with rheumatoid arthritis.
Turmeric has been much in the news of late, after studies showed that it contains a remarkably effective anti-cancer agent called curcumin. (Some of you may have seen it featured on C4's 'Food Hospital' program.) Leicester university scientists have already started trials to test its ability to kill bowel cancer tumours. Another study published in the journal Clinical Cancer Research found that turmeric supplements suppress a cell signaling pathway that fuels the growth of head and neck cancer.
Ginger is well known for its myriad health benefits, including its anti-inflammatory properties. Two other phytochemicals in ginger - shogaol and zingerone - have anti-tussive and anti-inflammatory properties, and can bring relief for cough and congestion from a cold or the flu. They are also known to minimise discomfort from the ravages of arthritis. Suffering from muscle soreness? Research published in the Journal of Pain shows that consuming two grams of ginger supplements daily eased exercise-induced muscle pain by 25 percent over an 11 day period.
Cinnamon contains iron, calcium, manganese and even fibre and is loaded with health benefits. It contains substances that work as antioxidants to protect cells against damage caused by harmful free radicals - substances found in the environment and inside the body that destroy cells. The spice may also be a diabetic's new best friend. It has a remarkable effect on regulating blood sugar, and several studies suggest that cinnamon may help regulate blood glucose as well as blood pressure in people with Type 2 diabetes. One study found that consuming two grams of cinnamon for 12 weeks significantly reduces the HbA1c [a test that shows blood sugar levels], systolic blood pressure and diastolic blood pressure in those with poorly controlled Type 2 diabetes.
I won't go through the rest of the curry spices, but hopefully the above is enough to challenge the notion that "Curry, worry, chilli: very bad for tummy".
In other words, get those spices and curry pans out and start eating yourself healthy!
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Thanks for your time in writing this Salvador... That is without doubt one intresting comprehensive no nonsence answer.
Good news in fact! :)
What better place for a case study of the myths surrounding the evils of spicy foods than forums such as this.
I have always had in the back of my mind that us Europeans weren't/wasn't (help me out here Phil) cut out for a lifestyle of this cuisine without detrimental consequences.
Let the good times roll! ;D
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You only forgot to mention that chillis have one of the highest amounts of Vitamin 'C'.
I'm sure I've mentioned this before but..
My missus had an infection behind her eye and was under a course of Cortisone (still is in fact) for more than a year. There are normally lots of side effect from this medication, but she had none. They asked her about her diet and she said that she'd been eating a lot of curry. The doctor had been studying the effects of ginger and turmeric use and was really interested in the quantities she'd been eating.
Still only allowed to cook a curry once a week though ???
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To me/for me, chilli is a bit of a wonder. I once OD'd on Ibuprofen and gave myself an Ulcer, experienced no negative side effects from heavily spiced and very hot curry, actually more the opposite effect of easing the pain.
Along side red wine (in moderation has similar effects), chilli is most definitely a wonder food/drug.
I know this is all anecdotal but I notice these effects after consuming large doses of chilli:
- Cold/flu relief
- Unexplained increased happiness/euphoria
- Increased concentration
- Improved verbal articulation
- Heightened senses
- Creative impulse surges
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I know this is all anecdotal but I notice these effects after consuming large doses of chilli:
- Cold/flu relief
- Unexplained increased happiness/euphoria
- Increased concentration
- Improved verbal articulation
- Heightened senses
- Creative impulse surges
Are you sure that isn't just down to the copious amount of beer drunken alongside it? ;D
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Couldn't agree more with Salvadori!
Such a well accepted myth about 'spicy food' (ie chilli) that is difficult to break even when people are presented with the evidence.
It is very much like exercise being cited for weight loss - it doesn't - it is eating less unsurprisingly.
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Now please do tell me... Does eating too much spicey food (especially curry) give you stomach ulcers?
Has anybody had any problems with their health (apart from piling on a few pounds) that they equate to too much spicey food etc?
My former g.p., herself from the sub-continent, once said to me "Curry, worry, chilli : very bad for tummy". She added black coffee to the list, too :(
** Phil.
It's strange that a GP (and one from the sub-continent, where the health benefits of spices have been known for thousands of years) should make such a sweeping - and grossly incorrect statement.
http://www.southdenver.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Spice-Rack-Medicine-2-for-web.pdf (http://www.southdenver.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Spice-Rack-Medicine-2-for-web.pdf)
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<far too much recycled dross, and then> :
http://www.southdenver.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Spice-Rack-Medicine-2-for-web.pdf (http://www.southdenver.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Spice-Rack-Medicine-2-for-web.pdf)
http://www.everydayjuicer.com/step-6-spice-it-up/ (http://www.everydayjuicer.com/step-6-spice-it-up/)
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Massive quote that Phil will undoubtedly rise to :D
Way head of you, old man! But thanks for the belated repetition :)
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Way [a]head of you, old man! But thanks for the belated repetition :)
You wouldn't be batting for the Aussies, would you, by any chance ? You do seem to be doing your level best to disrupt each and every thread on this forum in turn, and we all know who believes he would most benefit from that ...
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I've already called you out on your (transparant) tactic of resorting to personal abuse when you are losing an argument, Phill. Thanks for proving us right again!
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I've already called you out on your (transparant) tactic of resorting to personal abuse when you are losing an argument, Phill. Thanks for proving us right again!
I fear that it is I who have been proved right; it would seem you really are CA or one of his many trolls. OK, added to <troll> list and ignored henceforth.
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On the contrary, I have reported you. You are obviously not intelligent enough to understand what an IP addres is... or who here can view it! (moderated)
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Ahhhh....the ultimate climbdown....I'm putting my fingers in my ears and making a loud noise so that I can't hear you....and blaming CA (who I believe is the head of the so-called Islamic State).
Nice one, Phil :P
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I firkin love this forum ;D