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Curry Chat => Talk About Anything Other Than Curry => Topic started by: curryhell on March 21, 2012, 07:04 PM
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how many more brewers / ex brewers are on here then??? ;D
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how many more brewers / ex brewers are on here then??? ;D
Never tried it, just never got round to it, nows as good a time as any. The Dave Line book looked brilliant when I bought it years ago. Forgot I had it until today. If I remember correctly, he said he got alot of the recipe's from the brewers themselves. Any report from the book?
ELW
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used to be partial to the odd gallon or ten :)
very potent stuff
ain't made it for years though
this thread may resume my interest :)
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i'm tempted to give it another go.
i was a tad too young when i first got going to boots for their kit.
i'd like to make from scratch though.
given my pizza and curry interests and a bit of KFC i'd need a sure fire recipe sheet to go at.
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Its a long long long time since i made any - and to be honest wouldnt know where to start now - mind you following a recipe should do it -
I think finding the ingredients out here in Thailand may be a problem
best, Rich
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I'd love to have a go at cider
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Now don't get me started ....... 8)
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A great UK resource for new brewers is Jim's Beer Kit Forum. I've been brewing for about 4 years and make all grain brews - it's becoming a huge hobby around the world. One reason I got into it was to brew real ales I remember from my younger days, and nowadays you can get malt, hops and other ingredients from all over the world and make any style you want - for example I currently have a sack of malt from Thomas Fawcett at Castleford Yorks to knock out Timothy Taylors Landlord lookalikes, and one from Weyermann's maltings in Bavaria to crank out Oktoberfest Biers.
You think Indian cooking is addictive? Ha.
However, warning, anyone thinking of brewing, forget about using kits and tins, go straight to all grain, it's a bit like the difference between what we do on this forum and currying up some left overs using Tesco's own brand curry powder. ;D That Dave Line book is still very apt even after 40 years. I have a copy.
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I do a bit of home brewing, I did some really nice beer last year but I couldn't remember what it was because I never labelled it :(. But I did have 3 others on the go at the same time and a couple of wines too, the white wine kits I get here in Doncaster are pretty good & easy to do too. Not on the same scale as beachbum though, I usually buy the packs then add brewers sugar/malt etc to them.
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My goodness beachbum that is real hardcore!!!!!!
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Now don't get me started ....... 8)
I currently have a sack of malt from Thomas Fawcett at Castleford Yorks to knock out Timothy Taylors Landlord lookalikes,
Now we are talking BEER!!!
You have some set up there BB and that beer looks SUPERB.
I wish I'd found this forum before our recent trip to Queensland. I would have been round to your place with a bit of a thirst on ;D ;D
I can't see myself getting back into it, i simply don't have the time. I have to make do with Guiness and Kilkenny at me local.
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I make my own wines, ciders and ales.
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Not quite got the space to go all grain yet, but I do malt extract recipes.
1 of my favourites is:
2kg extra light dried malt + 200g Cyrstal malt
25g Challenger & 15g EKG @ 60 minute boil
25g Challenger & 25g EKG @ 20 minutes
30g EKG at flame out & 25g of fresh elderflowers - steep for 20-30 minutes
add 1lb of honey and crytstal to 4l of water and mash at 65-70c for 30 mins
SA-04 ale yeast
Prime with 80g of honey
My very own Waggledance clone
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I one day wish to start making my own ales and want to come up with my own recipes... I would absolutely love to do that and a dream would be to make something that grabs people's attention and wins an award and gets put in a few pubs. I seriously doubt there is much money in making ale these days with all the tax the snidey government keep on wacking on it year on year, but I would just do it for the love of it and the love of fine ale.
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Dont wish do it ;)
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For the easy quick win Coopers beer kits.
From those learn and explore and adapt.
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beachbum,
2 words you've written have made me an instant fan.
please tell us more on how to start. the book too.
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It would be fantastic to make my own out here - it would have to be kept secret - even homebrew is illegal
and i dont know if i could find the ingredients or all the bits and bobs to make it
what could be better a pint of real ale and a curry
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best, Rich
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beachbum,
2 words you've written have made me an instant fan.
please tell us more on how to start. the book too.
Just like cooking, probably the best way to start is by doing a heap of reading to get your head round the subject first.
Beer has been made the same way for centuries and even today many breweries in the UK still operate the same as they did in Victorian times, some even have all the original equipment, for example Hook Norton :P
So there's plenty of literature out there.
Basically beer is made from barley, which is sprouted then dried (malt). The malt is then crushed and steeped in hot water at around 65 degrees for an hour or so (mashed) to provide a sweet liquid (wort). The wort is drained off and typically boiled with hops to give much of the flavour and bitterness. Think of hops as being methi or coriander leaves ;D ;D.
The resulting liquid (hopped wort) is strained off and allowed to cool, then fermented with yeast in a special vessel for around a week or so, then allowed to clear and condition. You end up with typically 20 litres of a clear alcoholic sparkling liquid called BEER. woot.
Now you can do the entire process yourself (best) or you can buy concentrated wort in the form of malt extract and boil your hops with that (not quite as good) or buy concentrated hopped wort in the form of a beer kit from the home brew shop or many supermarkets (most basic method).
Now the concentrated forms have been put through basically the identical process to making tins of condensed milk. As you will appreciate that can never be reconstituted to give the flavour of fresh milk, similarly with malt, so it's always a compromise between convenience and quality. However whatever method you will still end up with a drinkable hooch, provided you follow the all important sanitary procedures.
Good starter is the free e book "how to brew" by John Palmer http://www.howtobrew.com/ (http://www.howtobrew.com/)although there's a lot of technical detail that you can probably skip first time around.
That English book "Brewing Beers Like those you buy" is good, but it's a sequel to an earlier book "the big book of brewing" by Dave Line - which is a good intro to all grain brewing. It's very old but much of the equipment is identical to what we use today so it's still current. Poor old Dave is long deceased. The book should be available for peanuts at the Book Depository online.
cheers
Michael
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Wow, what a set up BB! there was some talk of brewing a little while ago
what you recon on these thingys?
http://www.beermachineuk.com/acatalog/Beer_Machines.html (http://www.beermachineuk.com/acatalog/Beer_Machines.html)
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Oh dear that spoiled my day :-\
haha, sorry but seriously for over a hundred quid you could set yourself up nicely with a fermenter and some equipment and a couple of kits - have a word with your local home brew shop, they should advise and maybe have a couple of samples etc.
By the way for bottling beer, 1.25L pop bottles are perfectly adequate, I mainly used them until I went to kegging. The bottling side of things often puts new brewers off.
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beachbum,
many thanks for additional info.
had a good read through the website you suggested - top notch - that sorts a great deal. the vast amount of information could be off putting but i know to take things one step at a time and if you don't start then you will never arrive.
would appreciate more on the total cost picture if possible "rough guide" and where to purchase. DIY would be my route as i see this as part of the fun. in short total cost for equipment and ingredient "per pint" costs. from my past experience i would aim to keg.
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Beachbum - many thanks for a great summary/intro in your post #16. You've got me interested now. I'm primarily interested in making lager which tastes as close as possible to something like Fosters. Is that a similar process?
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I'm almost contemplating getting all the kit out of the loft and having a go after so many years. Trouble is i'm a belgium beer fanatic, and whilst there are a couple of recipes out there, I can't find anything near the equivalent of Dave Lines book to tell me how to make the many brands of belgium beer that are available and that i enjoy >:( . Just as well i returned with a bit of stock yesterday that'll keep me going for a few months until the next trip 8)
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I remember hearing stories of people running out of their houses into the street with exploding home brew bottles :).
I've drank it but never made it. Definitely going to get into it when I'm organised. It's a good complimentary thread to run alongside the rest of the stuff on here. I'm sure a few more codes could be cracked. How close the recipe's will get me to the real thing I'll need wait & see
ELW
Edit- great post beachbum
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I'm almost contemplating getting all the kit out of the loft and having a go after so many years. Trouble is i'm a belgium beer fanatic, and whilst there are a couple of recipes out there, I can't find anything near the equivalent of Dave Lines book to tell me how to make the many brands of belgium beer that are available and that i enjoy >:( . Just as well i returned with a bit of stock yesterday that'll keep me going for a few months until the next trip 8)
I haven't read this, CH, but it looks like it could be interesting if you're into brewing Belgian beers.
For an excellent book on brewing real ales (which I have read), check out: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Belgian-Ale-Classic-Beer-Style/dp/0937381314/ref=pd_sim_b_17 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Belgian-Ale-Classic-Beer-Style/dp/0937381314/ref=pd_sim_b_17)
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Well since the UK goverment are going to put an increase of 40 pence per unit of alcohol on the price of booze i think its time for me to start brewing again, i feel sorry for the pubs around here they are all closing, 4 pound per pint!!!! :-\
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George:
The thing about lagers is that they are a lot more difficult to make than ales. Ales (e.g. Cameron's of Hartlepool Strongarm or Brains of Cardiff S.A.) are a lot closer to old "farmhouse" type beers. Modern Pale Lagers such as Fosters or Stella are more modern products made in big factories.
Being fairly low on flavour and very "clean" tasting, you can attempt to make them at home but if you don't get it dead right there's nothing to hide behind - you can't just add some more hops or some sugar whatever as you can with an ale.
Also you need really good temperature control so you nearly always need to get a dedicated fridge with a temperature controller.
Look, I make lagers but have the equipment, but mainly do ales as lagers are a PITA. I'd recommend that before trying to replicate something like Fosters you should brew a few ales to get the hang of basic principles. 8)
Curryhell:
When Dave wrote the book the only Belgian that was known in the UK was Stella wifebeater >:(
However once you get into brewing, Belgians are not hard - it's really all in the yeast, a lot of specialty yeasts are available from home brew suppliers to give those spicy "phenolic" overtones, so you can make something very close to a Leffe etc.
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Well since the UK goverment are going to put an increase of 40 pence per unit of alcohol on the price of booze i think its time for me to start brewing again
Wrong and misleading! They're not adding 40p per unit. The broad concept - yet to be finalised, let alone put into law - is to force retailers to charge at least 40p per unit. So if a can of lager costs ?1 at present, there's no reason for the price to increase, but if a supermarket is currently selling a can of lager for 20p under some sort of subsidised, loss-leader strategy, then they'll be forced to put the price up to nearer ?1.
I still think it's outrageous. Why should responsible people not be able to buy great value products, just because a few people get drunk? They should come down harder on the drunks and perhaps charge them for the cost of medical care.
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The thing about lagers is that they are a lot more difficult to make than ales.
beachbum - thanks again. You really do seem to know your stuff.
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I remember hearing stories of people running out of their houses into the street with exploding home brew bottles :).
It's true!
If you overprime your bottles ie. add too much sugar for secondary fermentattion, then yes, bottles could/will expolde.
Hey BB. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from memory ales are top fermented and flavoured with hops like fuggles and goldings, whereas lagers are bottom fermented and flavoured with halertau type hops.
At the end of the day lagers like Fosters aren't really "brewed". More like manufactured by chemists.
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I'm almost contemplating getting all the kit out of the loft and having a go after so many years. Trouble is i'm a belgium beer fanatic, and whilst there are a couple of recipes out there, I can't find anything near the equivalent of Dave Lines book to tell me how to make the many brands of belgium beer that are available and that i enjoy >:( . Just as well i returned with a bit of stock yesterday that'll keep me going for a few months until the next trip 8)
I haven't read this, CH, but it looks like it could be interesting if you're into brewing Belgian beers.
For an excellent book on brewing real ales (which I have read), check out: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Belgian-Ale-Classic-Beer-Style/dp/0937381314/ref=pd_sim_b_17 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Belgian-Ale-Classic-Beer-Style/dp/0937381314/ref=pd_sim_b_17)
Excellent SD. Thanks for the link, there's also another book on the subject too - bonus. Both at a reduced price and the reviews are good. Both should be a good read even if i don't brush the dust of my equipment just yet, having some 100+ litres to work my way through after my recent excursion ;D. Nothing goes down as well as a good curry followed up by a couple of bottles of class belgium ale :P
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The challenge has got to be to brew a larger like Cobra then you can really say your a real curry head!!
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Excellent SD. Thanks for the link, there's also another book on the subject too - bonus. Both at a reduced price and the reviews are good. Both should be a good read even if i don't brush the dust of my equipment just yet, having some 100+ litres to work my way through after my recent excursion ;D. Nothing goes down as well as a good curry followed up by a couple of bottles of class belgium ale :P
As a beer nut who regularly rides his motorcycle to foreign lands (including Belgium) in search of the finest ales available to humanity, I'd love to hear what your favourite Belgian/Flemish tipples are. (It took me a while to get into the Lambics, but once you've got the taste... ;D . Perhaps not the best curry accompaniment, though!)
Over here if you're going Belgian there's very little choice to go with your NIS or phal other then the ubiquitous (though very pleasant) Leffe...
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Well, i'm very fortunate SD. A friend of mine is responsible for getting me on the stuff in the first place, having always been a real ale man. I spent many a happy hour drowning out the day at Grays Athletic FC, when it had a decent team, not that I ever watched a game :), working my way through the 28 flavours available ;D. It just so happens he was the steward. GAFC has now been replaced by new housing developments, as is any piece of vacant land round here, although the team survives, a shadow of its former self. He moved on and now owns one of my locals and still continues to fly the Belgium beer flag with about 22 varieties, all at a very good price of no more than
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I looked at the lager collection in a supermarket today and was reminded that I enjoy loads of different lagers including Cobra, Kingfisher, Peroni, Becks, Tiger and loads more, in addition to Fosters. Lidl's lager which they sell at 85p per can is not as good but I'd be happy to make any lager which tasted a bit like any of those.
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Very interesting thread, making me thirsty! :)
I have found a Special Brew recipe, but it looks too complicated. I may just Have to keep the local shop in business and keep buying!
Cheers ;D
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Well, i'm very fortunate SD. A friend of mine is responsible for getting me on the stuff in the first place, having always been a real ale man. I spent many a happy hour drowning out the day at Grays Athletic FC, when it had a decent team, not that I ever watched a game :), working my way through the 28 flavours available ;D. It just so happens he was the steward. GAFC has now been replaced by new housing developments, as is any piece of vacant land round here, although the team survives, a shadow of its former self. He moved on and now owns one of my locals and still continues to fly the Belgium beer flag with about 22 varieties, all at a very good price of no more than
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The challenge has got to be to brew a larger like Cobra then you can really say your a real curry head!!
Hmmmm my mate phoned me today and said he can get me everything involved with Cobra, including the yeast, as he works for Marsdon Coors brewery ;)
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Interesting thread this.
I used to be into brewing big time mainly for the regional and national competions.
I'll look out a couple of recipes if anyone wants them.
Making lager ain't much more difficult to make than ale though. lagering means simply to store at low temperatures, the secret is double or even tripel decoction mashing, soft water and the manufacture of DMS to gain the true continental flavours.
Looking forward to seeing this thread grow.
TC
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I just bought a bar full of beer taps/fonts and amongst them I got 2 beer engines :)
The first one has polished up nicely :)
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I still need to work out which of these I keep and what I sell back on..
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I'll look out a couple of recipes if anyone wants them.
Making lager ain't much more difficult to make than ale though. lagering means simply to store at low temperatures, the secret is double or even tripel decoction mashing, soft water and the manufacture of DMS to gain the true continental flavours.
I'd certainly be interested to see any recipes for making lager.
How low a temperature is required, what's decoction mashing and what is DMS, please?
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Decoction mashing is and old German technique where they take some of the wet malted grain out of the mash, bring it to the boil in a separate pan and tip it back into the mash to raise its temperature. They do this two or three times until the mashing (conversion of the starches) is complete - takes a couple of hours.
Nowadays modern malts don't need decoction mashing unless you are really looking to duplicate a "high end" lager such as Pilsner Urquell. Most German breweries just do simple mashes and heat the mash in temperature steps by other means to emulate the old decoction method.
At home you can make a very drinkable lager by just a single step mash at around 64? using pale malt, then boil the 'runnings' with continental hops available from most home brew suppliers. Then ferment very cool using a lager yeast.
DMS is dimethyl sulphide which can be a by product of using true lager malts. It smells like creamed corn and you can pick it in some brews like Carling. Continental breweries boil the "wort" for 90 minutes to 2 hours (longer than a boil at an ale brewery) to boil off the DMS which can be objectionable at high levels, but it's still a signature of many lagers and adds to the complex aroma.