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Curry Chat => Talk About Anything Other Than Curry => Topic started by: TasteTester on December 09, 2010, 08:44 PM
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I am in good company, I suppose. Not sure whether I feel justified seeing that the UK's spelling is just as bad as ours or if I feel disillusioned. ::) lol Don't you know that people with British accents get cast for all the smart roles in American cinema?
Can someone tell me why or offer a theory on what when wrong teaching, "You change the 'Y' to 'I' and add 'E-S'!"?
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Can someone tell me why or offer a theory on what when wrong teaching, "You change the 'Y' to 'I' and add 'E-S'!"?
I assume you're referring to people pluralising curry to 'currys' when in fact it should be curries.
Yes it makes me wince too but it makes bugger-all difference to how well you can cook those curries! ::)
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Wow,Your British spelling is just as incorrect as ourselves, in the colonies.
Yep!
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i think most of it is because this is the internet, not a paper to hand in for a job. we all get lazy and canny be ersed.
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Am not a Brit am Skottish and I can spell kurrys wrongly too!
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I assume you're referring to people pluralising curry to 'currys' when in fact it should be curries.
Yes it makes me wince too but it makes bugger-all difference to how well you can cook those curries! ::)
Yep! Oh, and the -'s. The random apostrophe. I really thought that was an American endemic.
I am a shit speller, and part of it is the fault of my country for changing the spelling of English words at random. I never know if things should end in -ise or -ize. If I need to use the word more than once I spell it both ways... just to be safe. And maybe look like whichever one was wrong was just a typo. :D
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the wrong use of apostrophes has been covered in a great book:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Eats-Shoots-Leaves-Lynne-Truss/dp/0007329067/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291937014&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Eats-Shoots-Leaves-Lynne-Truss/dp/0007329067/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291937014&sr=8-1)
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Am not a Brit am Skottish and I can spell kurrys wrongly too!
Okay, don't kill me now, but I always considered Scots as Brits, too. You are the mainland of the British Isles and part of Great Britain. I have learned that people from the British Isles get particular about with whom to identify themselves. Confusing to me! Especially as a kid in history class when England AND Great Britain won that war against France for the Colonies. And then there was the UK. Whew, it was hard learning all your names. Our teachers didn't' really explain it, and I think it's because they themselves hadn't a clue.
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Yup it's complicated and I won't kill you lol but we Scots, in the main, like to think of ourselves as Scottish first and British second (if at all). That's a bit simplistic but it works for a lot of us!!
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Oh no, a nationalist. ::)
(Shouldn't that be curry's, by the way)...
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I'll be the first to admit they my spelling is poor to say the least.
One of my biggest problems is "There, their, they're" which word to use, in what context?.
Also the apostrophe, i have major problems with that, i've, we've, hav'nt.
Its Laziness on my part, i should do a search and read a few lines of English, then make a point of remembering the correct spelling for the problems.
But i won't, and that's lazy.
Is that laziness, or is it ignorance?..
Both i would say.
As for England and Scotland both being GB or Uk. They are, we are. But the way Englands politicians have ruined England, i can't for the life of me see why anybody would want to be joined with us. And i'm English.
A link to ponder.
http://www.express.co.uk/web/europecrusade (http://www.express.co.uk/web/europecrusade)
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the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland is the correct term hence all the confusion.
from wiki
Great Britain is the largest island of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Politically, Great Britain also refers to England, Scotland and Wales in combination,[9] and therefore also includes a number of outlying islands such as the Isle of Wight, Anglesey, the Isles of Scilly, the Hebrides, and the island groups of Orkney and Shetland. It does not include the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands which are not part of the United Kingdom, instead being self-governing dependent territories of that state with their own legislative and taxation systems
guess i just confused everyone some more lol
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Yup it's complicated and I won't kill you lol but we Scots, in the main, like to think of ourselves as Scottish first and British second (if at all). That's a bit simplistic but it works for a lot of us!!
Too simplistic for me : Great Britiain would only be "Little Britain" if it weren't for Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, and all of those small-but-vital parts that make us "Great". Be proud of your Scottishness by all means, Stephen, but be proud of your Britishness too !
** Phil.
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Well, I like to consider myself as being from 'The Red Republic of Mancunia' ;D ;D
but be proud of your Britishness too !
This statement kind of baffles me Phil! What is it about Britishness that we're really meant to be proud of?
I know that we as a nation have offered an awful lot to the world in the past, I also know that other nations have paid heavily for our ambition.
Maybe there are things to be proud of but there is an awful lot to be ashamed of too!, an awful lot!!!!
Ray :)
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This statement kind of baffles me Phil! What is it about Britishness that we're really meant to be proud of?
I know that we as a nation have offered an awful lot to the world in the past, I also know that other nations have paid heavily for our ambition.
Maybe there are things to be proud of but there is an awful lot to be ashamed of too!, an awful lot!!!!
Agreed (we're getting into an analogue of the vegetarianism debate here, I feel.). On thinking about it, perhaps "be proud" wasn't really the idea I was trying to convey : rather more, "feel British, as well as feeling Scottish", might be a better way of putting it.
Incidentally, Ray, your Tandoori Red has not been forgotten but I needed an appropriate unbreakable container in which to post it, and one has just materialised so I hope it will catch this afternoon's post.
** Phil.
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Thanks Phil, can't wait to get my hands on it :).
Ray :)
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sorry Phil but I feel Scottish and don't really feel British, not all Scots would agree with me but many would.
Funny how a thread that started off about spelling has ended up becoming one about cultural identity. I think I may be some way to blame for that. ::)
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I have a feeling, Stephen, that your view reflects not only that of many of your fellow Scots, but also the Welsh (and, in the larger perspective of the United Kingdom, the Northern Irish as well). That is, whilst we English feel British first and English second, the Scots feel Scottish, the Welsh feel Welsh, and the Northern Irish feel Irish. Would you agree ?
** Phil.
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I don't know if i feel English anymore, i feel like a Brummie, always will no matter where i park my r's. I am English, i am proud that my grandfather fought in the 2nd world war against the Nazi's. I used to be proud of England, but lately, i just don't know.
I suppose i should be saying, am i proud of multi-cultural England in its present state?
The answers no for me.
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hey Phil
Can best relate your question to people I have met, my best mate was with a Welsh girl for years and she felt passionate about her country. I've worked with a couple of people from Northern Ireland and found their identity to be less so passionate, perhaps influenced by the troubles? There was certainly a sense that their identity seemed a bit more complicated. As for England, I'm not so sure, I have family in Sunderland, Coventry, Reading, although being relatives they all have Scottish parents so they are maybe not the best examples. I get a sense that people from Yorkshire or Lancashire have a strong regional identity?
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I have far more affinity with my Scottish heritage than my English (or Yorkshire) side and I've grown up in Yorkshire. Strange thing really, in my heart I feel Scottish. My Father-in-law hails from Tipperary and I've never met a more proud Irishman, in fact he and I tag-team on the Sassenachs ;D 'cos when we're pished, we're Celts!!
When it comes down to being proud of where you're from it's a bit like this: When Huddersfield play L**ds, I'm "Huddersfield"....when Yorkshire play Lancashire, people from Leeds AND Huddersfield become "Yorkshire" When England play Scotland, the Tykes and the Mancs become "English" though I'm "Scotland" yet when they play France or Germany, I'm "British" ;D It really depends who we're against as to what we are pmsl ;D Fickle feckers eh?
Andy Murray when he's winning is "British" in the English media......as soon as he loses, he's back to a Scot :p But to the Scots, he's a Scot win lose or draw lol :P
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I really don't get all this proud to be this and proud to be that malarkey ;) What is there to be proud of? I'm a Manc born and bred, I'm not proud to be a Manc nor am I ashamed of that fact either! It just so happens that this is the area that I was born, I had no say in it.
I also feel no rivalry with anybody from Yorkshire, just because I happen to be from Lancashire.
Most of my family are proud Irish folk (O'Brien) but I don't feel Irish one Iota, how can I when I'm English. How can I be proud to be of such a mixed ancestry. What is it that I'm meant to be proud of? There is no such thing as a true Englishman, Scotsman, Irishman and so on. We have been invaded that many times down centuries that we surely can't claim to be anything but northern European (read Scandinavian/Germanic)
I also don't get how Aussies are so proud to be Aussies? You originate from these shores, are you thefore proud to be British too, same with our cousins from the good ole U S of A, Canada, South Africa. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking anyone, I just don't get the whole, being proud of something that you had no say in!
I am however, a proud Man United fan, proud of my clubs history and heritage, proud of the fact that we are supported up and down the country as well as in Manchester, proud that even in the most unreachable parts of the world, the names of Bobby Charlton, George Best and Dennis Law, are so well known. I chose to be a United fan, I had my say in it, and that's why I can be proud
Viva United, Viva the Red republik of Mancunia ;D ;D ;D
Shurrup Domi before ya start :-*
Ray ;D
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when we're pished, we're Celts!!
way to go Domi!!!
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I agree with everything Razor said except the bit about Man U, which for me would be Liverpool FC!
;D
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This is the problem of being English nowadays. You're taught to despise who you are and ignore your own heritage.
I'm actually proud of my history and what my people have brought to the world.
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I downt no wot yoo was all torkin abowt. eye'm a scouser and yers arr all torkin a diffrnt langwidge to wot i got brawt ip wiv :-\ ::) :o
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Shurrup Domi before ya start :-*
Ray ;D
Yer orright luv, me lips're sealed....serves me right for going commando at -17c :o
I downt no wot yoo was all torkin abowt. eye'm a scouser and yers arr all torkin a diffrnt langwidge to wot i got brawt ip wiv :-\ ::) :o
calm down! calm down! dedon'dodatderedodey? :D
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This is the problem of being English nowadays. You're taught to despise who you are and ignore your own heritage.
I'm actually proud of my history and what my people have brought to the world.
I've not been taught to despise what or who I am VC, what I'm saying is, what or who am I? I'm English as I was born in England, can I be proud of that? What's there to be proud of?
I think you should only be proud of something if you are associated by choice, not by circumstance!
Obviously this doesn't include being proud of you kin, that's a heartfelt pride which is a different thing altogether.
Ray :)
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This is the problem of being English nowadays. You're taught to despise who you are and ignore your own heritage.
I'm actually proud of my history and what my people have brought to the world.
OK, before I respond to this, I need to get one thing clear : am I right in thinking that you are a Briton who has emigrated to Australia, as opposed to an Australian born and bred ?
** Phil.
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Yup, From Liverpool area, been here for two years.
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Yes, I'm clear and edumacated on the Britsh terms now (England, Great Britian, UK, etc.), but an explanation would have gone a long ways in my school days. It also would have helped if teachers had explained why they marked my spelling wrong when I'd write "colour" rather than "color." I knew I'd seen it like that! But they don't bother to explain anything to children.
I get kind of irked when some people call themselves Mexicans when they are, in fact, American ("Statesman" would sound so much cooler, but it means something else altogether). Why the need to distinguish? I shouldn't be offended, but I am. That is very different from being Scottish first and British second though. Because... Mexico is not in the US, and these people were born in the US.
Not that it matters, but I would like to see the UK get the hell out of the EU, too! The British are so different from other Europeans. When I see other Europeans, I know right away they are European. But when I see all kinds of British people, I don't know the difference between them and us. When I've met them abroad, I've thought, "Oh, hey, North Americans..." and then simultaneously been asked, "Are you English?"
It's more than language. It's in the face or the mannerism. There is a common heritage. The language link was almost lost, however, when German was almost voted the national language of the US in an effort to distinguish themselves from the Motherland. English won by a single vote!
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Sorry TasteTester but unless i'm being a bit thick, you never mentioned where you're from :)
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I get kind of irked when some people call themselves Mexicans when they are, in fact, American ("Statesman" would sound so much cooler, but it means something else altogether). Why the need to distinguish? I shouldn't be offended, but I am. That is very different from being Scottish first and British second though. Because... Mexico is not in the US, and these people were born in the US.
OK, but are they born of Mexican parents and speak Mexican as a first language ? Because if so, I would agree with them that they are Mexican, regardless of where they were born, and regardless of where they are now living.
And come to think of it, I have just spent the evening with two children who will almost certainly identify themselves as French-Vietnamese when they grow up, despite the fact that both were born in Baldwinsville (New York), simply because they are born of French/Vietnamese parents and will be raised in a French/Vietnamese culture (they have now returned to France, but will be brought to visit their Vietnamese grandparents in London very frequently).
Not that it matters, but I would like to see the UK get the hell out of the EU, too! The British are so different from other Europeans. When I see other Europeans, I know right away they are European. But when I see all kinds of British people, I don't know the difference between them and us. When I've met them abroad, I've thought, "Oh, hey, North Americans..." and then simultaneously been asked, "Are you English?"
It's more than language. It's in the face or the mannerism. There is a common heritage. The language link was almost lost, however, when German was almost voted the national language of the US in an effort to distinguish themselves from the Motherland. English won by a single vote!
Well, that may be your perception, TT, and I would not want to suggest for one second that it might be wrong, but speaking as a Briton I can feel perfectly at home in Germany, France or the Netherlands (and I would be happy making my home in any one), but I am afraid that I have felt very much like a fish out of water on the few occasions I have been in America : it just feels so foreign, with no shared values at all ...
** Phil.
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I'm the opposite; I've never met an American I didn't like. As for the French and Germans... Well don't get me started!
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I'm the opposite; I've never met an American I didn't like. As for the French and Germans... Well don't get me started!
Well, I hope I didn't suggest that in general I do not like Americans : I know some from my professional field whom I like very much indeed, and for whom I have the greatest respect, both professionally and personally. But when I am in America, I do not feel at home : it is hard to put it into words, but I feel that American priorities are very different from mine. Yet in most of Northern Europe I feel very much at home, and feel that we share a common heritage and a common set of values.
** Phil.
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Phil, perhaps it's because my people have redefined the "American Dream" to mean materialism. :( Left and Right.
And I also understand why some people would choose to identify first with their cultural heritage (no matter how many generations removed), but nonetheless, it's slightly painful for me. This isn't a matter of absolutes; it's just how we mentally categorize and associate things. My paternal grandmother's family were "Germans." No matter if they lived in Russia as farmers or after the migrated to the United States. Until my grandmother's generation, they saw themselves as German. That is well and fine.
The problem comes when you are too into defining yourself by your heritage that you lack communion with the rest of the larger community around you. I have lots and lots of Mexican family members, and they are cool. But there is one in-law I do not like because he can't see himself as human first. He is Mexican, first and last. He will go to the functions on the Mexican side of the family but not the white. He wears T-Shirts that say "100% Mexican" lest we forget. This is not a Mexican-American problem. This is a HUMAN problem.
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Phil, perhaps it's because my people have redefined the "American Dream" to mean materialism. :( Left and Right.
You may well have hit the nail on the head :)
The problem comes when you are too into defining yourself by your heritage that you lack communion with the rest of the larger community around you. I have lots and lots of Mexican family members, and they are cool. But there is one in-law I do not like because he can't see himself as human first. He is Mexican, first and last. He will go to the functions on the Mexican side of the family but not the white. He wears T-Shirts that say "100% Mexican" lest we forget. This is not a Mexican-American problem. This is a HUMAN problem.
Agreed, but perhaps neither of us knows what caused this problem (I certainly don't; maybe you do). But it does seem to me that if someone suffers persecution because of his/her race, then one of two outcomes is likely : the weaker person will seek to disguise his/her race, and do their level best to become fully assimilated into the host nation; the stronger person may prefer to fight back, and to say, as your Mexican in-law is doing, "I am Mexican and don't you dare forget it". Obviously I can't know if this is the cause in his situation, but it does seem a possible explanation.
Anyhow, let's get back to curry : maybe a shared passion for curry cam finally unite all the nations of the world !
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I thought so, too, but this guy won't eat curry. That there's the real problem! ;)