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Curry Chat => Lets Talk Curry => Topic started by: Spice-as-Nice on November 20, 2009, 07:08 AM
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Sorry this is a long post . Why am I here writing this post at 6am you might ask. Last night , having bought fresh Coriander and Methi earlier in the day , I could resist no longer. It was about 10pm and I just had to make a curry. I asked my commanding officer if she wanted one but she said no, so it was still going to be made for 2 but one would go in the fridge or freezer and the other one to eat now. I quickly got to work with the pan, frying the usual ingredients ( no base this time ) . I used some pre-cooked chicken I had stored in the freezer so it was gonna be made as quick as I could. After 10 minutes I had the whole thing bubbling and was nearly to the end. In this time I had also made 2 Chapattis on my newly bought Chapatti pan. ( works a treat ). The only thing to do now was to HOT-UP the mix. It tasted very flavoursome but with NO Chilli in it yet, so I knew that once the red stuff was added it was going to be even tastier. I suddenly remembered that I had also bought earlier some "East End Green Chilli Sauce" ( see pic if I manage to attach it ). So, I decided to use that , then add chilli powder if needed. I put in 2 teaspoons of the "sauce" . Remember , this was a curry for 2 in the pan so you can guess approximate quantity. I did a small taste test and boy it was hot. I tried to calm it a little by cooking for a bit longer and adding more tomato puree and then decided to go with it so I dished it up. It all looked lovely. I put it on a tray complete with chapatti's and my usual glass of milk and presented the view to my wife as I entered the living room. Wow she said , that looks nice and it smells lovely. On making a little scoop with a pulled off bit of Chapatti and sliding it into my mouth I knew there and then it was going to be a banger. It was lovely but very very very hot. Almost the hottest I have ever eaten ( but not quite ). because it was so flavoursome I carried on , thinking it might ease off as I got used to it. It didn't , but I kept eating and in between , needing to take larger and larger sips at my milk. I managed about half of it and didn't even get onto my second chapatti when I had to admit to myself I couldn't eat anymore. Jeeze it was hot. ( yes it was tasty , so it's gone in the fridge to play with later ).
OK , now to THE KNOCK . What I'm asking is .... does anyone else get The Knock ? It's what me and the wife call it. Sometimes , when I manage to produce a cracking curry ( most are not, they're edible but average ). Some time after eating a "cracker" we get a sort of "bodily system earthquake". It's like all the spices in the curry have caused a shift in many bodily functions. My blood pressure may go up. Heart rate increase , Slight headache, feeling very hot ( not surprising that one ? ) uncontrolled sweating from top of head. Eyes feel like they're popping out a bit. Unable to focus properly. Stomach feels like it's a butter churn full of sloppy cement. After a while these symptoms subside and you're left with maybe a dull headache or a sort of hangover feeling. Now, this doesn't happen every time I cook a curry . I seem to suffer them more than my wife. The last one she had , she said she would never have a curry again ( but she has ) . Anyhow , this is what happened to me last night . I had a knock. Hence me being up from 5 am today and sitting here now typing this up. What I want to know is ... does anyone else get "THE KNOCK" ?
If you use this sauce. ** WARNING ** ...... ITS HOT , use very sparingly.
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I cannot see the image. It says 0 bytes. (I would like to though please).
Anyway chilli can kill some people, it's known.
I think your warning should be headed.
There are several bottles of paste. Chilli, Cilantro and others. All look harmless, all pack a massive punch and should be used very carefully.
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I have deleted and re-uploaded the image many times but it just does not show. I have re-taken the photo and tried uploading but still doesn't show. Iv'e tried it in jpg ( properties = 12kb ) and gif ( properties = 69kb )and also other file sizes but it still wont show. I emailed the photo to another email account and it goes through OK . I tried uploading to a different site and the picture uploads ok so , sorry , don't know whats wrong but with cr0 it's a no-go. SEE FAR DOWN PAGE TO SEE PICTURE
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Thanks for that , you spicy devil. I'll give it a try >>> here it should be (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/3c7490e31a2730d8076dc6eb6c3cf6ae.jpg) (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/#3c7490e31a2730d8076dc6eb6c3cf6ae.jpg)
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OMG! :o
No wonder. Careful with that stuff. You only need a little, and its best to add some and see where its going first but beware your tongue will numb fooling you a little.
Glad you are ok now though, are you?
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We call that stuff 'Sandwich Spread' where I come from.....lol.
Cheers
CoR
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Hmm, could be a way of avoiding the powdery taste of lots of chilli powder when making a Phall...
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OMG! :o
No wonder. Careful with that stuff. You only need a little, and its best to add some and see where its going first but beware your tongue will numb fooling you a little.
Glad you are ok now though, are you?
No, not 100% OK yet at 1.30 pm .
Now , my commanding officer has gone out Christmas shopping. She says she wants a curry for when she gets back about 5pm. I still have loads n loads of fresh Corander and Methi in the fridge. Ime drinking tea and coffee about every 20 minutes or so. Maybe by about 4pm I will be back to my normal self . ( FAT BALD OLD 40-a-day Git ). Now I see many mentions about this grean sauce but no-one commented yet on THE KNOCK . Does anyone out there know what im'e talking about ? or is it just me ? As I mention above , it doesn't happen often . Maybe about 1 in ten . I think it's when I go a bit overboard on the spices. Iv'e had the same thing happen ( rare ) with a takaway. I am talking about something that knocks you sideways Big Time. Like you might have eaten something really well dodgy but you havn't. It comes on very slight as your'e eating the curry. You know it's going to happen but you put it to the back of your mind and keep eating but then by the time you have finished the curry its there and getting worse. It's probably about 30 minutes to an hour after that it peaks. At that point im'e eating ice cream , drinking milk , glugging Gaviscon , eating chocolate as all these things seem to ease the symptoms. Im'e no wakky backy man or anything like that but I would imagine it's something like taking soemthing of that ilk . So come on, whats your thoughts ?
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My curries don't seem to do that to me - thank god!
I can recall from ages ago when I used to eat much hotter food sitting on the loo the next day feeling really dicky and getting into a cold sweat - it that the sort of thing you mean by the "KNOCK" or is it something else?
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I think I had something similar a long time ago though I'm not certain? So yes its plausible I suppose? I would seriously think about cutting down on the heat my friend, this doesn't sound healthy at all. It could be hot spices clinging to your oesophagus, water of course will make it worse. Milk helps apparently.
If its bothered you that long I would call the Docs and get a check up asap frankly. Hope you feel better soon.
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My curries don't seem to do that to me - thank god!
I can recall from ages ago when I used to eat much hotter food sitting on the loo the next day feeling really dicky and getting into a cold sweat - it that the sort of thing you mean by the "KNOCK" or is it something else?
No, not the toilet thing. That one ( and the ring of fire ) seems to be a hit and miss afair that i can't fathom. Sometimes I get it and sometimes I don't. Doesnt matter how hot or mild the curry was either. No, im'e talking about something completely different . This is not just a rear end thing , this is a whole body experience.
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Does it happen at other times?
No, not the toilet thing. That one ( and the ring of fire ) seems to be a hit and miss afair that i can't fathom. Sometimes I get it and sometimes I don't. Doesnt matter how hot or mild the curry was either. No, im'e talking about something completely different . This is not just a rear end thing , this is a whole body experience.
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Yes it does sound like a trip to the doctor might be advised.
Apart from the ring of fire I haven't heard of many other curry related side effects.
In fact most of the stuff in curries apart from loads of salt and oil are pretty good for you!
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We clearly cant be dishing out medical advice however given some of my other interests it would seem that you consumption of the type of food and drink you are used to may be triggering an obvious overload of toxicity.
A complete detox might best suit and as others are saying a reduction on heat. I posted elsewhere the eating of an apple to deal with acidic reflux and it may be much better than your use of dairy products.
Moderation in all things comes to mind. Good luck with it and if others can shed any light on "The Knock" I hope they post for you. PP
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Does it happen at other times?
No, not the toilet thing. That one ( and the ring of fire ) seems to be a hit and miss afair that i can't fathom. Sometimes I get it and sometimes I don't. Doesnt matter how hot or mild the curry was either. No, im'e talking about something completely different . This is not just a rear end thing , this is a whole body experience.
NO, it's only now and again with a curry. Rarely it happens with a takeaway. Keep in mind my origonal post. My wife has had the Knock too. Just a few curries ago ( I was OK with the same curry ) . At the time , she felt so rough she said " im'e never going to have one again" but she has.
No, I don't drink alcohol ( only maybe at a wedding or something like that ) I am insulin dependant diabetic ( but my wife isn't ) but I got the Knock even years ago even before I was diabetic . My son's had the knock a couple of times ( not the ring of fire ) in the past . He got them so bad that he now only has a curry on a Friday or a Saturday so as not to risk having the knock on a workday. Thats not the only reason he limits though , in his case it's the ring of fire jobby that also puts him off.
Googling the typical medicinal uses of "our" spices I find a profusion of information regarding lowering or raising blood pressure , heart rate , dhioretic effects , Turmeric = curcumin active compound , cancer reducing etc etc etc. Some of these are longterm effects but many are mentioned as instant ( like a drug ). I am wondering if this is what im'e talking about .
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It could be anything. As folks have said its worth checking with the Doc to make certain.
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Ok , well thanks to all who took time to answer. To be honest I was expecting a few people to say "yes I get that" " it's normal" . At least this shows up that it's just me and now and again the wife. It's not bad enough to mention to the doctor ( he's Indian by the way ) as i don't think he would say anything other than to lay opff the curries. He would likely latch onto something it isn't such as my diabetes or my 40 cigs a day or my 18 stone. In fact I am very active and reasonably fit and work hard but I live MY life. Im'e going to put it down to too much consentration of the spices as thats about the only link I can find. It does seem to happen when I have a particularly spicy one and I did overdo the ginger in it yesterday.
Incidently , my mention of the Green Chilli Sauce and that I couldn't finish off eating the curry and that I saved what was left in the pan to play with.
Well , it did go in the fridge in a container. I made a very normal curry tonight with no chilli input at all. I spooned out from the fridge container , just 2 desert spoons of the mix and added it to tonights pan. it was lovely , medium and my commanding officer loved it too. As tonights was again for 2 people it just goes to show how last nights was extreme strength.
Once again thanks to everyones input and help.
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Well I for one am glad you are feeling better Spice. ;D
Regardless of your Doc's origin I still think you ought to check with him and just make sure that something that you are doing to yourself is ok?
I used to love massive hot curries but now I've tamed a bit because I feel like CA its much harder to cook a more subtle dish and the rewards are epic when you get it just right. Anyway it sounds like you are a seasoned cook and far be it from me to change anyone's attitude in life or cookery so I wish you well.
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Not usually one for self diagnosis but this is fairly common after eating large meals.
See this (warning.......don't look if you have hypochondriac tendencies! ;D )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactive_hypoglycemia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactive_hypoglycemia)
Also check out Postprandial hypoglycemia in google!
Enjoy ;D
CC
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Not usually one for self diagnosis but this is fairly common after eating large meals.
See this (warning.......don't look if you have hypochondriac tendencies! ;D )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactive_hypoglycemia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactive_hypoglycemia)
Also check out Postprandial hypoglycemia in google!
Enjoy ;D
CC
Hi CurryCrazy,
I appreciate all that you have said.
Im'e diabetic and have been so for 10 years. I have a blood sugar test kit. If I feel unwell and im'e not sure what it is then I always test my blood sugar ( well you would , wouldn't you ). Im'e very aware of what going hypoglycemic ( a hypo ) feels like and the relationship that hypoglycemia has with food ( along with insulin of course ). I can tell you that what I describe above is nothing to do with hypoglycemia .
Heres something for everyone and it's in Laymans Terms
Hypoglycemia is where a persons blood glucose level drops to a sate below normal ( normal is 4 or some medical people say 4 ~ 7 ) . The problem for insulin dependent diabetics is , that sometimes their own pancrias makes some insulin or ( if it normally makes crap insulin that doesn't work ) it suddenly makes a bit of good insulin. Ie , the person has injected insulin AND made some in their pancrias ... what have we there then ?
An Overdose of insulin , hence , the blood sugar then drops and keeps dropping below the number 4 level ( hypoglycemic ) known as a "hypo". If the blood glucose isn't brought back up to normal pretty quick , the person goes into a sort of coma. ( the reality is they go into an unwakeable sleep ). Even if left and nothing is done the person should in most cases recover on their own. the body will react to the condition and use stored fat , turning this into glucose and the person will wake up, poorly but awake. However, this condition is not good ( it's very bad ) so the person shouldn't be left , they need sugar quick or medical intervention. if they suffer from other medical conditions, a hypo can bring on other serious complications such as a stroke or heart attack etc.
To Summarise : A hypo is where someone has overdosed on insulin ( taken too much or taken normal amount + their own body made some ) . This should NOT happen if they have just had a large meal ( vertualy impossible ) .
OK, OK, OK .. so many of us have heard that theres 2 types... type A and Type B , yes ?
Well its simple ..
Type A is where you are born with it and is usually where NO insulin is made at all ( this should be easier to control because if None is made , then you can caluculate much easier how much to take with regards to what you eat.
Type B is where the pancreas starts to work poorly and this occurs in later life. Usually its a hit and miss afare as to how well it works and how good the produced insulin is.
Besides type A and B , theres the ability of all the other tissues in the body to accept this insulin ( injected or natural ). Where someones body doesn't "like" that insulin , it's called insulin intollerance or insulin rejection.
Type B ( thats those who get the problem later in life ) have difficulty controlling their diabetes becuase their own panceas is often working .. on / off /on off/ good stuff bad stuff . So, its hard to work out how much to inject. What you do ( work ) during the day also has a big effect because this depends on how much sugar you are using for energy. All food is converted to sugars in the blood to use as energy. Particularly the muscles as they are called upon to do work rapidly. One moment you can be sitting , the next moment your up and doing something. This is why you might see a diabetic start to do very heavy work ( like mixing concrete with a spade ) and he can do it OK , then suddenly he just cant do it, all his energy just goes. He suddelnly feels tired , weak and shaky ( he's near a hypo ). He might rest a while and be OK ... or ... if his blood sugar continues to drop he will go "hypo" ( below a level 4 ) and need sugar. Sugar is sugar so it's very quickly absorbed by the stomach and converted into blood glucose thus restoring everything back to above a level 4. ( some diabetics let themselves go low so they can have sweeties ... naughty )
Some young people let their blood sugar go high ( known amongst young female diabetics mostly ) by not taking insulin . This has a dramatic effect of rapid weight loss over a few weeks but often results in the greatest danger of loss of sight ( very silly ).
Not all diabetics are overweight due to eating too much. Sometimes their high weight is a result of taking insulin and being unable to keep proper control of blood sugar levels. However , it's a know problem that people who are overweight can become diabetic much easier than those who are not overweight. But please , don't tar them all with the same brush !
OK , now theres the opposite :
Hyperglycemia ( not Hypo , the 'O' in the word is replaced with 'er' )
This condition is known as "high blood glucose" and this is what ALL diabetics have. Their blood sugar is high because their Pancrias doesn't make insulin or doesn't make enough insulin or makes rubbish insulin. So, they have to take insulin by injection to stabalise their blood glucose to a "normal level" of between 4 ~ 7ish ( 4 is what we are aiming for ). What makes blood sugar high ? .... it's food. In a fully fit person their own bodies secrete insulin and vary the bodies level according to how much energy they are using and how much food they have eaten. In a diabetic person this is totally cocked up due to the pancrias not working right !
OK , now we have accertained that a curry will affect blood sugar ( a curry is food ). It will make a persons blood sugar rise. However a high blood sugar level is NOT harmful in the short term. It doesn't do much to a person other than give them a short term energy boost, but ,... heres the BUT ... a continuous high blood sugar level is bad , very bad and it leads to many other problems , like ... going blind , having your legs amputated due to bad circulation , heart attack , any cuts not healing etc etc. So , this is the reason why a diabetic must control their blood sugar levels.
So, Summary No 2:
Food will make a diabetic have short term energy boost ( then after about 20 minutes it makes then sleep like they took a sleeping pill ! )
NOT having any insulin ( like you see them panic in movies because they havn't got insulin when theyv'e been kidnapped or summat ) is not bad in the short term . ( so this idea in movies is really a load of crap ) . It's only long term high blood sugar that is bad and in this case bad really = months or years. ( actaully, days isn't so good either ).
Postprandial hypoglycemia is a RARE variant of the normal diabetic whereby the blood sugar drops uncontrolably some time after a meal ( usually because their own pancrias has made too much insulin ). This is not a one-off , it happens every time they eat something , so this sufferer will know about it. It's often not referred to as diabetes because the pancrias is working , it's just not working correctly.
In my case , the curry I ate did not affect my blood sugar beyond what any other meal affects it ( cos when I felt off , I tested it and it was 6.8 ) . I had taken my normal amount of insulin before the curry. All blood sugar levels taken after the curry were within my normal level and even the following day. I know what going hyper and hypo feels like.
Besides that, eating makes your blood sugar go UP , this means you go hypER not hypO . Look at the text above again and see that Hyper isn't bad in the short term. It won't make you feel ill unless you have had a MEGGA amount to eat or eaten lots and lots of sugar food. The most a hypER will do is make you feel thirsty and temprorarily hyperenergetic. ( like an upper drug ... speed etc. ) but it's temporary and after you will feel very tired.
Now then , theres one thing worth mentioning here . Fenugreek ( Methi ) is known to improve or boost pancriatic function . Eee-By-Gum , its good stuff that there Methi .
It's been well researched and documented. This is a long term thing and not a short term thing so it wont immediatly make any difference to blood sugar levels when used in a curry.
I do hope this is interesting for anyone reading it. Im'e sorry about the length but thought I might include all of it as there are too many misconceptions regarding diabetese.
Please have another look at the original post. I call it The Knock. Read carefully what I wrote there. I'm talking about something similar to what might happen if you ate something salty, or something peppery or something acidy and "at that time" it just didn't agree with you. We all know the common thing people talk about after eating a Chinese meal , dryness , thirst or even very hungry a short time afterwards. Suppose you had some gravy with a Sunday lunch time meal but the cook made it much too strong a flavour, so strong it sort of overpowered the meal but you were enjoying it all so you ate it all. Afterwards you might feel "different" but not necessarily "unwell" . Ok ,well this is what I was describing . I don't get it often . Only now and again and it's not connected to HOT curries , it's more connected to spicy curries. It's not a feeling of being unwell , its just a feeling of "something's happening" but it is connected with an underlying headache or as I said before like a bit of a hangover. It can upset sleep . To be honest , now that I've rethought it all , I think it's just a spice overload. You are eating something that you would no way eat in its uncombined form. You just wouldn't eat 3 or 4 spoons full of natural ginger , or same with garlic , or even onions , let alone the powdered spices. Imagine putting 3 spoons full of Turmeric in your mouth , yet that's what we are doing with the final curry and lots of it. Sometimes it's OK but sometimes it's not and if it's over done a bit it can tip the balance. I think that's whats happening when I get THE KNOCK.
OK OK OK , I hear you all saying " but he put that green sauce in it " . Yes I did but I don't think it was a heat issue as I have had hotter with no problems.
So, having re-thought it all , gone over everyone's replies , I have deduced ( for the time being ) that it's simply an overdose of spices that my body doesn't like at that particular time ( remember im'e not talking HEAT here ) ....... solution , use less spice , choose less spicy stuff off a menu.
I had thought the post might end yesterday when I accepted that no other people had posted replies confirming The Knock.
I think now is the time to end it and move on to things more related to the site . CURRIES.
Once again , thanks to all who have replied , contributed and showed concern.
I won't add any more to this post , Happy cooking to you all.
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I'm in awe of this thread. Buddy, how much do you weigh?