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Title: Base sauce taste
Post by: Ring of Fire on September 06, 2009, 11:08 AM
Hey

Just a query - made a batch of base following Darth's recipie and it's crap. Tastes like a really bad pea and ham soup without the ham. Not impressed. What did I do wrong? What is it supposed to taste like?
Title: Re: Base sauce taste
Post by: Unclebuck on September 06, 2009, 11:21 AM
Hey

Just a query - made a batch of base following Darth's recipie and it's crap. Tastes like a really bad pea and ham soup without the ham. Not impressed. What did I do wrong? What is it supposed to taste like?

not heard of that before its not ment to taste that nice to be fair..  not till youve made the main dish with it anyway.
Title: Re: Base sauce taste
Post by: chriswg on September 06, 2009, 11:25 AM
The base I make tastes pretty gross. It is very thick, spicy and ever so salty. I don't think you did anything wrong, just finish off making the curry then decide how good it tastes.
Title: Re: Base sauce taste
Post by: Cory Ander on September 06, 2009, 01:20 PM
Tastes like a really bad pea and ham soup without the ham.

.....and without the peas too perhaps?  ;)
Title: Re: Base sauce taste
Post by: Ring of Fire on September 06, 2009, 01:22 PM
Ok thanks - that's comforting anyway. The next stage (either a Dopiaza or a Dhansak) will follow later this week. I'll advise as and when :)
Title: Re: Base sauce taste
Post by: Cory Ander on September 06, 2009, 01:56 PM
I can't agree that the base alone "is not meant to taste that nice" or that it is "pretty gross".

If this is the case, I suggest you ditch it and start again or try another base.

The base (being a base) should be pretty nondescript (as in mild tasting and subtly flavoured) but should nevertheless taste pleasant enough in its own right...otherwise this "grossness" will show through in the final curries.
Title: Re: Base sauce taste
Post by: chriswg on September 06, 2009, 06:01 PM
Not necessarily. My base is very condensed and needs to be watered down at the curry cooking stage. As it stands, it is too spicy and salty - once it is watered down sufficiently it tastes lovely.
Title: Re: Base sauce taste
Post by: billycat on September 06, 2009, 08:43 PM
cant agree with that either

why would you water it down !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Base sauce taste
Post by: joshallen2k on September 06, 2009, 09:36 PM
Agree with Billycat.

Reducing down the curry (incorporating a thin base sauce) I think is one of the key to a good curry.

Try it both ways - a) reducing down a thin based curry; and b) watering up a think based curry - and I think you will see a notable difference.
Title: Re: Base sauce taste
Post by: Cory Ander on September 07, 2009, 07:10 AM
My base is very condensed and needs to be watered down at the curry cooking stage

I'm not sure why your base would be in a very condensed form Chris?  Which base recipe are you using?  Surely the base should be ready to use, as is?  I will add a little water to it if it has inadvertently become too thick.

Anyways, my recollection is that Darth's base certainly doesn't taste "crap" on its own.  Like most other reasonable bases, it tastes like a mild curry flavoured vegetable/oniony soup.  If it tastes crap (like pea and ham soup?  :-\), perhaps something has gone wrong in its preparation.

Title: Re: Base sauce taste
Post by: chriswg on September 07, 2009, 09:39 AM
Hi CA

I have just posted my base - http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=3720.0 (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=3720.0)

I'm sure you will have plenty of reasons to slate it, but I would much prefer if you could try it first and let me know if you have any constructive criticism. Not everyone has the time or equipment to make a huge batch of base, or the storage space to freeze it.

I think this recipe will appeal to a lot of people as you only need 1 frying pan, 1 blender and about 45 minutes to cook a delicious curry.
Title: Re: Base sauce taste
Post by: Cory Ander on September 07, 2009, 02:00 PM
Ring of Fire,

I don't know what your experience is with bases and typical BIR cooking techniques, but I should also probably state that you shouldn't expect the base alone to taste like you would expect the final curry to taste (it is simply the foundations of the curry, if you like).

I am still somewhat perplexed by your rather forceful first contribution ('it's crap) to cr0 though... ;)
Title: Re: Base sauce taste
Post by: George on September 08, 2009, 03:09 PM
Anyways, my recollection is that Darth's base certainly doesn't taste "crap" on its own.  Like most other reasonable bases, it tastes like a mild curry flavoured vegetable/oniony soup.  If it tastes crap (like pea and ham soup?  :-\), perhaps something has gone wrong in its preparation.

I agree. Dath's base tasted like a "mild curry flavoured vegetable/oniony soup" when I made it.  I can't relate to the OP's comments at all. Perhaps he can't follow a recipe, doesn't have enough cooking experience to do little more than boil an egg, is just plain rude, or perhaps the whole thing is just a wind-up.
Title: Re: Base sauce taste
Post by: Ring of Fire on September 11, 2009, 04:23 PM
Hey

I'm not suggesting the recipie itself is flawed - my comment was directed at the end result of my attempt at the base. Although never having tried cooking a curry from the ground up I suspect this batch is not worth continuing with, hence my query as to what a base is supposed to taste like.

@ George - I assumed it was a simple enough question and didn't think anyone would read any more into it than that. In fact most people appear not to have done.

Title: Re: Base sauce taste
Post by: JerryM on September 12, 2009, 09:20 AM
Ring of Fire,

Dath's is one base i've never tried. i did pick it out in the early days but somehow never got round to it.

in terms of what a base should taste of is a very difficult question to answer - they all taste  different. the important things is that they pass a threshold. when they do the difference in the final curry is not that significant and is affected more by what goes in and what is done at frying/cooking stage.

i have no help to offer on how to measure "threshold". it's very clear once u've cooked a curry with a base that does not pass muster though. for me u have to make several bases and u soon get a feel for it. for me the threshold means that the base is in balance with nothing standing out yet it has a depth of spice. it's almost a finished curry but not quite there. it should taste good and be quite thin in terms that there is excess water in it (this evaporates at the frying stage). u should be able to see a lot of texture in in though at the same time. the closest comparison in normal cooking is a thin soup.

i would start with BE's base. it's pretty good. not tier 1 but there is much learning there.

links: http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=2815
 (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=2815), http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=3074.0;topicseen
 (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=3074.0;topicseen)

if u have specific questions just say. after BE i would go for something like saffron/SnS2008/Admins, then say the ashoka. that sort of tour would give u a very good appreciation of what makes a good base and more importantly what u're personal preferences are eg i like fresh coriander and coconut and add it to all bases.

as for u're existing batch - just knock up a curry and see how it tastes - all part of learning this tricky game. the cooking part for me is at least 50% of the jig saw.
Title: Re: Base sauce taste
Post by: Ring of Fire on September 17, 2009, 01:12 PM
Well, I had a go at a dansak (dhansak?) based on dazkimber's recipie. Didn't end up as a particularly good dinner but at least it was edible. For me anyway. The wife didn't like it at all.

At a guess I'd say next time I'd miss the pineapple juice and use only half the mango chutney as it was way too sweet for my taste overall. Certainly needs more in the "sour" department.

The base sauce, the taste of which I thought was not particularly encouraging, kinda disappeared into the general concoction with no ill effects. I have a fair amount of the base left so I'll have another go and see if I can improve.