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Curry Chat => Lets Talk Curry => Topic started by: Yellow Fingers on May 21, 2005, 08:02 PM

Title: Have you done a blind test?
Post by: Yellow Fingers on May 21, 2005, 08:02 PM
Has anyone done a scientific blind test of your best curries against restaurant bought ones on your friends?

It's pretty straight forward you buy the same curry from, say, two different restaurants, and you serve these unopened, i.e. still in their takeaway containers, along with your version which has to be in the same type of container to avoid psychological bias. Infact you would ideally repackage each curry in identical containers.

The consumers would be asked to comment as to which they liked or disliked and the reasons for each choice. Critically you mustn't let them know that one of the offerings is yours, they must believe that the three curries have been bought from three different takeaways. You must not even tell them which restaurants they are from until after the test to avoid possible personal bias against any restaurant.

Each curry would need to be served up individually and away from the other two so that the odour of the curry can be commented on.

I see this as the only way to avoid the hidden bias of the consumers in posts that go 'I had my mates around and they swear it's the best curry they ever had' and to see just how close we really are in our efforts.

You shouldn't know which curry is which either because your body language and manner can give away which one is yours, and that can effect the tasters response. No really I'm not making it up! You would have to mark the underside of the cartons and shuffle em!

I thought of this particularly because I am convinced that no one here has produced the unique smell of a restaurant curry. Either that or when people are posting base sauce recipes etc, they must be hiding something because I can't get the smell from anything that has been posted here.

Just a thought.

 
Title: Re: Have you done a blind test?
Post by: DARTHPHALL on May 21, 2005, 08:08 PM
I have to be honest i`ve not got it 100% right all the time only every now & again which is quite frustrating  ??? ??? But some of my friend prefer my curries to take-away so its not all negative. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Have you done a blind test?
Post by: blade1212 on May 21, 2005, 08:43 PM
you are sad :) :)

respect !!!
Title: Re: Have you done a blind test?
Post by: Yellow Fingers on May 21, 2005, 10:04 PM
you are sad :) :)

Not sad. Sadentific!? ? :D
Title: Re: Have you done a blind test?
Post by: DARTHPHALL on May 21, 2005, 11:06 PM
Aren't we all  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Have you done a blind test?
Post by: George on May 22, 2005, 09:40 AM
Has anyone done a scientific blind test of your best curries against restaurant bought ones on your friends?

I think this is an excellent idea. Thank you for a very worthwhile post.
Title: Re: Have you done a blind test?
Post by: pete on May 22, 2005, 10:11 AM
This raises a very important issue
I think what we miss from our curries is not the  "taste" but the "smell"
I have done blind tasting on my family.
I put bought and home made curry into little blue pots.
I got some very confused results.
There was no clear winner
Title: Re: Have you done a blind test?
Post by: Yellow Fingers on May 22, 2005, 10:33 AM
I think what we miss from our curries is not the? "taste" but the "smell"

For me this is absolutely true. And it's why, despite what others may say, I still think there is a missing 'secret' ingredient. That smell has to come from somewhere and it must be from something that we aren't putting in our curries.
Title: Re: Have you done a blind test?
Post by: DARTHPHALL on May 22, 2005, 11:11 AM
I agree, it still to vague to be certain that we have cracked it.It may just be a technique who knows ??
Title: Re: Have you done a blind test?
Post by: George on May 22, 2005, 12:36 PM
I think what we miss from our curries is not the  "taste" but the "smell"
For me this is absolutely true. And it's why, despite what others may say, I still think there is a missing 'secret' ingredient. That smell has to come from somewhere and it must be from something that we aren't putting in our curries.

This is what curryhouse.co.uk has to say:
"So are fenugreek leaves essential? No, but they do make the standard curries (do-piaza, Madras, dhansak, bhuna etc.) taste like they came from a restaurant. Having said that, no curry house puts them in all their curries. For instance, they taste awful with creamy or yogurty dishes such as tikka masala and korma."

and:

"if (green herby bits)...look a bit like thyme they are probably fenugreek leaves which, in any case, have a very distinctive aroma. They smell like every curry house you've ever walked past in the street."

He's probably right. But if it's so obvious, why is it that we haven't all agreed it's definitely fenugreek, dead simple to replicate at home, problem solved?
Title: Re: Have you done a blind test?
Post by: DARTHPHALL on May 22, 2005, 01:04 PM
I`ve never used the leaves, perhaps this is the single ingredient i need as my curries are very close.
Although i do believe that the latest base with Carrots green Peppers etc .. is right its just the final tweeking now me thinks .
Title: Re: Have you done a blind test?
Post by: Mark J on May 22, 2005, 01:19 PM
I put dried fenugreek leaves in almost all my curries, although I have noticed that my local takeaway uses leaves that look a lot duller than the ones I use, mine are very green. I do have another sort which look identical so I will also try those in my curry tonight.
Title: Re: Have you done a blind test?
Post by: DARTHPHALL on May 22, 2005, 03:24 PM
Thanks guys it looks like another valuable step closer to our goals the Fenugreek leaves are definitely going on my spices to buy & try list !!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Have you done a blind test?
Post by: Blondie on May 22, 2005, 05:20 PM
Hi Mark J,

Could it be that the duller leaves which might be methi are fresh as opposed to the dried ones.  Most of us use dried for convenince (I think) but they are available fresh in my local area but I haven't tried them.  Matbe I should try the fresh methi and report back.

Cheers Mark J,

Blondie
Title: Re: Have you done a blind test?
Post by: merrybaker on May 22, 2005, 05:21 PM
Each curry would need to be served up individually and away from the other two so that the odour of the curry can be commented on.
It sounds like a fun experiment.? You'd have to rotate the order in which the curries are eaten, in order to offset a bias that might favor the first curry eaten.? Then you'd have to do a statistical analysis to see if any differences are significant, or due to chance.? But it could be done. :D
Title: Re: Have you done a blind test?
Post by: Yellow Fingers on May 22, 2005, 05:45 PM
Not only that, the initial aroma/taste test would literally have to be done blind folded to avoid possible bias due to one curry having a better visual appeal than another. It gets better and better.? ? :D
Title: Re: Have you done a blind test?
Post by: Mark J on May 22, 2005, 06:20 PM
You would also have to puree both to make sure the textures are similar!  ;D
Title: Re: Have you done a blind test?
Post by: pete on May 29, 2005, 09:30 AM
I made up some curry gravy yesterday.
I went back to a very simple recipe I was shown by a chef, last September.
Later that day I was passing by an Indian Takeaway.
It was about six o'clock and they would have been just starting up.
The smell really was the same as my kitchen.
No difference.
I know that there is something else, they do.
Another smell, but I reckon that must be coming from their Tandoor.
After all, they normally have a wacking great fan extractor from it.
That would pump this extra aroma out onto the streets.
I don't have the space for a tandoor, but I reckon that is where the last "secret" lies.
I have seen a chef, squeezing spiced lamb on to long skewers.
This was destined for the tandoor.
It's probably that.
Cooking tandoori chicken in the oven doesn't have the same smell.
I think Pacman has a tandoor, maybe he can offer some thoughts.
Title: Re: Have you done a blind test?
Post by: DARTHPHALL on May 29, 2005, 09:35 AM
Which recipe was that Pete ? Can put a link in this thread please. :)
Title: Re: Have you done a blind test?
Post by: pete on May 29, 2005, 10:18 AM
I posted it today
http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=309.0
Title: Re: Have you done a blind test?
Post by: DARTHPHALL on May 29, 2005, 10:25 AM
Much appreciated mate  :)