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Curry Chat => Lets Talk Curry => Topic started by: meggeth on June 24, 2013, 12:53 PM
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I was thinking of getting CBMs ebooks, but I have a query. Can you print them out? Surely it would be a pain to have your kindle/tablet next to your cooker and ingredients?
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I was thinking of getting CBMs ebooks, but I have a query. Can you print them out? Surely it would be a pain to have your kindle/tablet next to your cooker and ingredients?
You can print at a maximum of 150dpi, which should be more than adequate.
** Phil.
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I printed volume one, wouldn't bother with volume 2.
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You can unlock and print any PDF at whatever resolution you like.
http://www.pdfunlock.com/ (http://www.pdfunlock.com/)
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You can unlock and print any PDF at whatever resolution you like.
http://********/ (http://********/)
Perhaps you can. But is it ethical to do so ? Is Mick (a major contributor to the BIR field) going to feel that it is worth his while writing further volumes in the series if others then make a public statement telling all CR0 members how to circumvent his protection. I believe you should edit your post retrospectively and remove that information; it is in all our interests to keep Mick and his fellow authors on our side, and we won't achieve that if we make public statements not only saying that the protection /can/ be unlocked but also giving the exact URL that makes it possible.
** Phil.
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What if the owner decided to put an expiry on the document?
And in 6 months time you cannot open the file that you paid for?
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Does anyone know a way of unlocking the digital rights controls on Kindle books? A year or two ago, I downloaded software which took screen images as the basis for conversion to a pdf file. It was trial software, so there are ugly watermarks over each page. Now, the website has gone, perhaps shut down under pressure by Amazon.
I agree with Phil about certain ethics but, on the other hand, a few of the Kindle books I paid for and downloaded in 2012, somehow expired. It was a real pain to sort it out and be able to read them again. That never used to happen with printed books. I'm keen to convert them all to pdf format in order that I take control, rather than be at the mercy of Amazon.
An application called Calibre will convert ebooks to pdf as long as they are not digitally locked, so unlocking is the first step. Can it be done?
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I printed volume one, wouldn't bother with volume 2.
Why's that? Don't you rate volume 2?
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book 1 and book 2 are both excellent publications. I have learnt more from mick and his books than anyone else within the BIR world. worth every penny in my opinion.
book 2 has some excellent recipes and I highly recommend it to you
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I can't help but grin at the fact that Phil is questioning the ethics of pdfunlock and george is asking for help on how to unlock digital rights. Suddenly I get this flashback from an old post where George lectured Phil on ethics and moral because he posted copyrighted ebooks (or links) to the forum .
Isn't irony a bitch? ::)
I printed volume one, wouldn't bother with volume 2.
Why's that? Don't you rate volume 2?
It's an OK book, I don't think it's as important as v1. I also can't say I didn't learnt a lot from it (the new base is decent, the others recipes are ok) but they didn't really match my expectations (can't please everyone, alright.) Given the knowledge I possess, I would probably saved my money if I knew what the content was going to be, but, it is worth the money. It's just that the content does not really match what I am looking for.
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I would probably saved my money if I knew what the content was going to be
I've seen the book and would say the same as Goncalo (if i had bought it).
For any member of either forum that has cooked a few bases and curries, this book has nothing new for them. Almost everything in vol2 has been seen or can be found on the forums or youtube already.
And i think this is the reason why there hasn't been so much as a sniff on the other site where he is a mod and regularly contributes.
But for the novice to BIR cooking, both books come highly recommended. ;) (except for the shami kebab burger ::) )
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All i can say is that i am more than happy with the measly 3 and a half quid paid for each of Micks books. Both have been printed and bound in folders and sit happily with my other stuff for reference when needed.
Some really good recipes in vol 2. if you haven't tried, them....do it.
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I can't help but grin at the fact that Phil is questioning the ethics of pdfunlock and george is asking for help on how to unlock digital rights. Suddenly I get this flashback from an old post where George lectured Phil on ethics and moral because he posted copyrighted ebooks (or links) to the forum.
To the best of my knowledge I have never posted copyright material, although I have occasionally quoted brief excerpts and given full credit to (and acknowledged the copyright of) the original author. My concern is not that one user unlocks one of Mick's files : that is an individual choice, and I am not going to get worked up about it. My concern is with the ethics of posting a URL that will allow any user to unlock not only Mick's PDFs but many others as well. I cannot speak for Mick, but I /believe/ that he distributes the PDFs in locked format not to stop printing (printing is enabled but limited in resolution) but to stop (a) bulk copying of the content, and (b) removal of his copyright notice, which would then allow unscrupulous individuals to put copies up via (say) BitTorrent, announce their existence (without any acknowledgement of Mick's copyright) and then others who download them would be completely unaware that they had just downloaded copyright material. Mick charges an extremely reasonable price for his e-books; should we not, in return, do him the courtesy of respecting his copyright and keeping to ourselves any knowledge we may have on how such PDFs can be unlocked ?
** Phil.
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SP - having read your comment before it was removed, I went back and tried Calibre again. It states that Calibre will not remove DRM and there's a Calibre web page which explains why.
Perhaps you have an earlier version or something.
Also, I want to be able to use a book I paid for, for my own use. I'm not seeking to copy it for upload here, or anywhere else but, as Calibre explain, you don't buy these books - you sort of rent them - subject to a whole load of restrictions determined by Amazon, in my case.
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check your pm's George, I've sent you a link... ;)
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This is what i do http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php/topic,8178.msg72283.html#msg72283 (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php/topic,8178.msg72283.html#msg72283)
Just scroll down.
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Maybe that went over my head but you can't print Kindle books, hence the requirement for PDF conversion
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Ok, I'm going to go for both if I can printout. There have been a few nice piccies recently of recipes from book 2 (Bengali bob, mostly!), so I'll give it a go, along with book 1.
Cheers guys! :D
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I can't help but grin at the fact that Phil is questioning the ethics of pdfunlock and george is asking for help on how to unlock digital rights. Suddenly I get this flashback from an old post where George lectured Phil on ethics and moral because he posted copyrighted ebooks (or links) to the forum.
To the best of my knowledge I have never posted copyright material, although I have occasionally quoted brief excerpts and given full credit to (and acknowledged the copyright of) the original author. My concern is not that one user unlocks one of Mick's files : that is an individual choice, and I am not going to get worked up about it. My concern is with the ethics of posting a URL that will allow any user to unlock not only Mick's PDFs but many others as well. I cannot speak for Mick, but I /believe/ that he distributes the PDFs in locked format not to stop printing (printing is enabled but limited in resolution) but to stop (a) bulk copyng of the content, and (b) removal of his copyright notice, which would then allow unscrupulous individuals to put copies up via (say) BitTorrent, announce their existence (without any acknowledgement of Mick's copyright) and then others who download them would be completely unaware that they had just downloaded copyright material. Mick charges an extremely reasonable price for his e-books; should we not, in return, do him the courtesy of respecting his copyright and keeping to ourselves any knowledge we may have on how such PDFs can be unlocked ?
Chill out Phil. I just mentioned it for irony's sake and the crack! :)
To answer some of your points, the reality is that no one cares about the copyright notices in the products that are being sourced from the pirate bay or some any other sharing protocol/site. It's just there for the convenience of the author. I don't support sharing his books (or anyone else's) I think he is an honest writer/contributor and has contributed plenty to us. Although that isn't to say I won't download pirated stuff from other honest writers. I did buy both of my copies off of Mick's and made some genuine comments/improvement suggestions in this forum for vol1, which were taken in a harsh way by some members. I do think the new volume contains good information, but does bring very little substance. We could fill up 40 odd volumes with just new recipes, but as I am looking for ways to improve my cooking technique/flavours of the main dishes, this volume has been a little less interesting than its former volume.
As a buyer, one very small aspect to be picky of: the naan recipe. It is the same as in the first volume, but it's slightly enhanced in terms of instructions. Could this not have been rectified in the first volume and re-sent to everyone who already bought the book (i.e basically what Julian did with a free update)?
Anyway, I don't want to drag this on and on. I'm sure you understand where I'm coming from. Cheers!
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There are plugins for Calibre that will remove most sorts of DRM such as that from Amazon, iTunes and so on, George. I'm sure you've got it via PM now. If not send me a PM and I'll help. I hate DRM and fear it will come back to haunt us eventually when the first companies fold in another 10-20 years.
I'm not going to get into the moral debate, either. My stance is: If I buy a physical book I can make photocopies of individual pages as I see fit (I know I cannot distrubte them and respect that). Now, if I want to do the same with an eBook then I certainly will.
BTW: Supplying a link to a website is usually not illegal (what someone does there eventually might, though), even removing the lock via that link isn't even illegal where I live. The alternative would be: Grab a pirated copy of whatever and have no such restrictions - I wonder what the author would prefer? I had to resort to such measures with a heavily protected Audio CD that I wanted as MP3 for my iPhone which resulted in me never buying a CD from that artist again.
What I do with my property is my decision, IMHO. It's the same with electronics devices that are artifically restricted. I'll just unlock them.
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I can't help but grin at the fact that Phil is questioning the ethics of pdfunlock and george is asking for help on how to unlock digital rights. Suddenly I get this flashback from an old post where George lectured Phil on ethics and moral because he posted copyrighted ebooks (or links) to the forum.
To the best of my knowledge I have never posted copyright material, although I have occasionally quoted brief excerpts and given full credit to (and acknowledged the copyright of) the original author. My concern is not that one user unlocks one of Mick's files : that is an individual choice, and I am not going to get worked up about it. My concern is with the ethics of posting a URL that will allow any user to unlock not only Mick's PDFs but many others as well. I cannot speak for Mick, but I /believe/ that he distributes the PDFs in locked format not to stop printing (printing is enabled but limited in resolution) but to stop (a) bulk copying of the content, and (b) removal of his copyright notice, which would then allow unscrupulous individuals to put copies up via (say) BitTorrent, announce their existence (without any acknowledgement of Mick's copyright) and then others who download them would be completely unaware that they had just downloaded copyright material. Mick charges an extremely reasonable price for his e-books; should we not, in return, do him the courtesy of respecting his copyright and keeping to ourselves any knowledge we may have on how such PDFs can be unlocked ?
** Phil.
If I paid for a pdf I'll do whatever I want with it. Any author who thinks he can control content post sale is deluded and/or naive.
All forms of DRM are bad form and ultimately pointless. A piece of work is either copyright or its not. No amount of useless virtual 'padlocks' will make the slightest difference.
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If I paid for a pdf I'll do whatever I want with it. Any author who thinks he can control content post sale is deluded and/or naive.
What you do with a PDF for which you have paid is entirely your affair; my objection is solely to the fact that you are inciting others to unlock PDFs by deliberately posting a URL to a site that exists for no other purpose. This web site / forum / whatever exists to disseminate information concerning curries and related matters; it is /not/ a forum for hackers, on which such links are the norm and therefore to be expected.
All forms of DRM are bad form and ultimately pointless.
In your opinion.
A piece of work is either copyright or its not. No amount of useless virtual 'padlocks' will make the slightest difference.
When you have a physical book, it contains a statement of copyright. The only way in which you can remove that statement is by tearing out the page or by snopaqueing over it. An unlocked PDF is entirely different; it is possible to remove a copyright statement and leave behind no obvious trace. /That/ is why locked PDFs exists, and why I believe it is incumbent on us to respect the right of an author to distribute his or her material in locked format.
** Phil.
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Interesting ;D
http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php/topic,5079.msg49073.html#msg49073 (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php/topic,5079.msg49073.html#msg49073)
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Interesting ;D
http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php/topic,5079.msg49073.html#msg49073 (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php/topic,5079.msg49073.html#msg49073)
Yes, but please read the follow-up :
I think that's very commendable, Will, but I am little more pragmatic : I am willing to download illicit copies of things if I think that I may wish to purchase them subsequently -- that is, I use the illicit copies simply for the purposes of evaluation, or to give me something from which I can print recipes so that I don't have to risk getting the real book splashed with curry sauce ! For example, I have downloaded a copy of KD's first book, but I have also bought three copies : one of the first edition, one of the revised edition, and one of the new edition. If I like Curry Cu1s1ne, I will buy a copy; if I don't, I will simply delete it.
** Phil.
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Yes, but please read the follow-up :
I already did ;)
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If I paid for a pdf I'll do whatever I want with it. Any author who thinks he can control content post sale is deluded and/or naive.
What you do with a PDF for which you have paid is entirely your affair; my objection is solely to the fact that you are inciting others to unlock PDFs by deliberately posting a URL to a site that exists for no other purpose. This web site / forum / whatever exists to disseminate information concerning curries and related matters; it is /not/ a forum for hackers, on which such links are the norm and therefore to be expected.
All forms of DRM are bad form and ultimately pointless.
In your opinion.
A piece of work is either copyright or its not. No amount of useless virtual 'padlocks' will make the slightest difference.
When you have a physical book, it contains a statement of copyright. The only way in which you can remove that statement is by tearing out the page or by snopaqueing over it. An unlocked PDF is entirely different; it is possible to remove a copyright statement and leave behind no obvious trace. /That/ is why locked PDFs exists, and why I believe it is incumbent on us to respect the right of an author to distribute his or her material in locked format.
** Phil.
Perhaps you misunderstand.
unlocking a pdf is not hacking. pdf is an open standard and I can print and lock any pdf I like.
I think you are getting confused as its entirely legitimate in the same was as unzipping a file.
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I always strip out the DRM from amazon stuff as it doesn't work on my Kobo otherwise. I mainly use Calibre on my desktop as it arranges my books and uploads them to my Kobo.
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Perhaps you misunderstand. unlocking a pdf is not hacking. pdf is an open standard and I can print and lock any pdf I like.
No, you can unlock any PDF that you have permission to unlock. When a supplier offers you a PDF for download, he/she may place constraints on what you can do with it. If you accept those terms, then you are bound by them.
I think you are getting confused as its entirely legitimate in the same was as unzipping a file.
"Legitimate" : in certain circumstances. You can legitimately unzip a ZIP file only if (a) it is not password-protected, or (b) you have been provided with the password by the creator of the ZIP file. Whether or not it is ethical depends entirely on what you plan to do with the PDF after unlocking. For example, suppose you were to take one of Mick's e-books, unlock it, then replace all instances of "food colouring" with "phenolpthaleine" and re-distribute the book. Mick would then be blamed by those who use your hacked recipes for the diarrhoea that they would undoubtedly suffer, and quite probably sued to boot So such a use would be at the very least unethical, and quite possibly illegal. Or you might choose to remove all statements of copyright, and then re-distribute it via BitTorrent; others receiving the hacked copy would then be led to believe that they had every right to distribute further copies, and Mick's income stream would suffer a a result. Also unethical. But suppose you were to unlock it, correct a few typos and then send it back to Mick so that he would have a better master copy to distribute in future. In my opinon, unlocking for such a reason would be ethical ('though of course I do not know if Mick would agree). Or you might want to produce a very high quality bound book that you could show to your friends. Also ethical, in my opinion. But in such circumstances it would be more honourable to contact Mick first, explain your aims, and then ask if he could let you have an unlocked copy subject to your assurance that you would use it only for the purpose stated, and would not pass on the unlocked copy to anyone else. Do /you/ now understand, VP ?
** Phil.
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Ok, back to the reason for this post - I am looking at CBMs site to order the e-books. I am convinced that when I looked a few days ago there were 2 e-books with an offer to buy both at a reduced cost. Now I can only see 1 e-book!! Can anyone else check the site and see if there are 2 e-books please?
Am I going mad? :o
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Am I going mad? :o
More likely ARMD :)
http://www.indiancurryrecipes-cbm.com/online-store.php (http://www.indiancurryrecipes-cbm.com/online-store.php)
** Phil.
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Phil, your link only shows volume 1 - is that what you see? Although the writing at the top says order both and save
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I see (amongst other options)
British Indian Restaurant Style Cooking E-Books. Volumes 1 and 2.
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Ok, back to the reason for this post - I am looking at CBMs site to order the e-books. I am convinced that when I looked a few days ago there were 2 e-books with an offer to buy both at a reduced cost. Now I can only see 1 e-book!! Can anyone else check the site and see if there are 2 e-books please?
Am I going mad? :o
No you're not going mad at all!! I had the same problem,only seeing one book.I emailed Mick,it appears that it's something to do with the browser you're using.Not being technically minded myself,you have to use firefox or chrome.
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So I have to install chrome/firefox to order the e-books?? >:(
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So I have to install chrome/firefox to order the e-books?? >:(
Or Seamonkey :) Very odd, I must admit. I have tried all sorts of things in IE, and none allow me to see Book 2 or the combined offer. I would be inclined to e-mail Mick via the link provided ("Contact author", I think), tell him of your plight, and he can almost certainly raise a Paypal invoice for you on your behalf.
** Phil.
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Yes, already emailed Mick, he said just make the paypal payment and he will send the 2 books!