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Curry Chat => Talk About Anything Other Than Curry => Topic started by: h4ppy-chris on April 06, 2013, 01:06 PM
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Please vote, it runs out in 10 days. I will stand by the outcome.
I feel the need to run this poll after some comments made by some members. I would like to know the bigger picture.
Thank you in advance.
Chris.
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If there is a choice between writing the e-book and producing and posting videos, I would suggest you concentrate on the former; if, however, the videos will form a part of the e-book, then I see no harm in posting them so long as they are posted in such a way as to encourage constructive debate rather than mud-slinging.
** Phil.
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The thing is Chris (as I see it ::)) you seem to be stringing people along, a little bit here a little bit there. This is a free forum with free recipes that people give free of charge for one and all to try with just a thank you as payment, yet you are promoting a book here to sell, not as you say for the members but for "you" as "you" will profit from the book. This in itself will get peoples backs up (rightly or wrongly I am not judging you). The more vociferous (as proved over the years) shout the loudest and longest yet contribute little or nothing.
I came here and took what I wanted, I tried to give input, but I gave up and now I think why bother ::).
The best thing you can do is ignore them.
If you want to sell a book and promote it here then go ahead, it isn't against any rules and others have done it. I guarantee the next hopeful after you who comes along with an ebook to promote will get the same deal.
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I for one enjoy your videos and have had great success from following some of your recipes.
I'ts not quite BIR (but I put that down to my inexperience) but damn fine food.
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Oh please keep posting videos Chis. I love your videos and will miss them if you stop. Just ignore the trollers on here (ie SS), they're just jealous and incapable of civil conversation.
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Oh please keep posting videos Chis. I love your videos and will miss them if you stop. Just ignore the trollers on here (ie SS), they're just jealous
And we have another low poster (11 posts if the system is working correctly!) admirably championing Chris' book. So that'll be the third new poster today that's bigging-up Chris' efforts. Nothing suspicious there eh?
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Oh please keep posting videos Chis. I love your videos and will miss them if you stop. Just ignore the trollers on here (ie SS), they're just jealous
And we have another low poster (11 posts if the system is working correctly!) admirably championing Chris' book. So that'll be the third new poster today that's bigging-up Chris' efforts. Nothing suspicious there eh?
The only thing here that is suspicious SS, is your mind.
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I appreciate your videos, as I've had the chance to mention in the past. I have learned a few things from you. However, as long as you keep references to your book and its secrets to a modicum and stop stringing people along until said the book gets released, I'm happy with your contributions. I didn't vote as this is stupid. Question you can ask yourself: did you have an army of people telling you right from wrong before you came up with references to this book? I don't think so. The community is tightly knit.
Oh please keep posting videos Chis. I love your videos and will miss them if you stop. Just ignore the trollers on here (ie SS), they're just jealous and incapable of civil conversation.
I respect your opinion curryking, I know you are new to this site, but I have occasionally stumbled on the various youtube comments that you have left in various curry related videos, as it does seem you have a genuine interest for curry cooking. However, you also seem to be relatively new to this community, in which case, it's a bit harsh to be calling a long-time member as SS a troll, simply because he is more 'vocal' about the h4c's dodgy marketing ways. I for one dislike chris tactics and as a community of people roaming in the same direction, we should try not to support people trying to monetize on top of our desires and needs. It's just a shame that with all the shrink-wrap around it, it sounds more like snake oil pitch.
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I respect your opinion curryking, I know you are new to this site, but I have occasionally stumbled on the various youtube comments that you have left in various curry related videos, as it does seem you have a genuine interest for curry cooking. However, you also seem to be relatively new to this community, in which case, it's a bit harsh to be calling a long-time member as SS a troll, simply because he is more 'vocal' about the h4c's dodgy marketing ways. I for one dislike chris tactics and as a community of people roaming in the same direction, we should try not to support people trying to monetize on top of our desires and needs. It's just a shame that with all the shrink-wrap around it, it sounds more like snake oil pitch.
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I'm sorry goncalo and to SS and yes you are right I didn't mean any offence and I appologise for any harm caused , I just thought that SS was being a little bit too cynical and harsh. i understand that some people may look at Chris' book as a money making cash in from other peoples ideas but I'm willing to take him for his word. Call me naive but maybe he has something in his book that everyone can learn from? I am new in the community, however i did join this community 7 months before yourself and i'm not new to Indian cooking as I've pointed out in my previous posts. I know alot about BIR and have over 4 years experience but I particularly specialise in real Indian food as many of my family are from India.
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Do 1 ,chris, u aint got a clue, go and troll on another forum
Bye
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I'm really surprised that there are 6 no votes (at the time of this post). I don't feel that I personally have much to learn from them as they appear to be absolutely standard in what they are showing, but I think they are invaluable for newbies to the BIR scene. And if they show the cooking of an unusual curry it's nice to see what goes into it.
As long as they don't instigate a flood of 'ohhh, I can't wait for the book' type responses I only see benefits (for some).
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I respect your opinion curryking, I know you are new to this site, but I have occasionally stumbled on the various youtube comments that you have left in various curry related videos, as it does seem you have a genuine interest for curry cooking. However, you also seem to be relatively new to this community, in which case, it's a bit harsh to be calling a long-time member as SS a troll, simply because he is more 'vocal' about the h4c's dodgy marketing ways. I for one dislike chris tactics and as a community of people roaming in the same direction, we should try not to support people trying to monetize on top of our desires and needs. It's just a shame that with all the shrink-wrap around it, it sounds more like snake oil pitch.
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I'm sorry goncalo and to SS and yes you are right I didn't mean any offence and I appologise for any harm caused however i did join this forum 7 months before yourself, I just thought that SS was being a little bit too cynical and harsh. i understand that some people may look at Chris' book as a money making cash in from other peoples ideas but I'm willing to take him for his word. Call me naive but maybe he has something in his book that everyone can learn from? I am new in the community but i'm not new to Indian cooking as I've pointed out in my previous posts. I know alot about BIR and have over 4 years experience but I particularly specialise in real Indian food as many of my family are from India.
fair enough curryking and I didn't know you were a forum member longer than me. I assumed you were one of the recent joiners because of your recent introduction. Regardless, you are clearly more experienced than I am, as I only started cooking curries in late last year, right after joining the forum.
I do agree with you that even if the book doesn't offer the exact thing we are all looking for and that chris claims it to be offering, that there is a higher chance of it offering something new that most can learn from. However, I'm not sure how his recent video that he claims is a proof, can serve as a proof to any of us for obvious reasons. That was the sole reason why the bickering erupted and I apologize for pissing off a number of the people who contribute to this forum and that I respect.
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fair enough curryking and I didn't know you were a forum member longer than me. I assumed you were one of the recent joiners because of your recent introduction. Regardless, you are clearly more experienced than I am, as I only started cooking curries in late last year, right after joining the forum.
I do agree with you that even if the book doesn't offer the exact thing we are all looking for and that chris claims it to be offering, that there is a higher chance of it offering something new that most can learn from. However, I'm not sure how his recent video that he claims is a proof, can serve as a proof to any of us for obvious reasons. That was the sole reason why the bickering erupted and I apologize for pissing off a number of the people who contribute to this forum and that I respect.
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Thats ok, i've only just become an active member. I spent a number of months last year travelling India meeting family and friends in Chennai and Ponducherri and again for a month this year and only got back a month ago after travelling to Goa and then to Satara (where my relatives live), Pune, Mumbai, Jaipur and Udaipur in Rajhistan. Yes i can understand why people are slightly narked about this book and the proof will be in the reading. Myself, i'll probably wait to see the reviews before committing to a purchase. I just think that he's taken the initiative to make some cash from something which he is passionate about and good luck to him. I just think its really unfare to rubbish it before anyone has even read it. If people don't like the result of the review's they don't have to buy it.
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I apologize for pissing off a number of the people who contribute to this forum and that I respect.
I really don't feel you have anything to apologise for goncalo. There's a whole cadre of people on this forum who want to shut down any negativity, even the constructive kind. They want to turn the forum into a big curry group-hug. It sickens me frankly and goes against any notion of free speech. There are plenty of other forums that will pander to their liberal-lefty stance so why don't they avail themselves of those forums and leave this one with its major strength, i.e. that of minimal moderation.
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any negativity, even the constructive kind
Can there be such a thing as "constructive negativity" ? Discuss.
** Phil.
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Can there be such a thing as "constructive negativity" ? Discuss.
** Phil.
Not heard of constructive criticism Phil? Or are you suggesting that criticism cannot be, or isn't implicitly, negative? And, as ever, we stray further from the plot - it's the nature of the beast.
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Can there be such a thing as "constructive negativity" ? Discuss.
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Not heard of constructive criticism Phil? Or are you suggesting that criticism cannot be, or isn't implicitly, negative?
Yes, the latter. Constructive criticism is always positive. For example, "the photograph, while beautifully composed, lacks detail in the darker areas : it could have been significantly improved had the photographer made better use of the HDR technology that he has clearly employed". Compare this (which is positive) with the following : "the photograph lacks detail in the darker areas and should therefore never have been shortlisted" (negative). The photographer, reading the first, will appreciate that the reviewer has identified the strengths as well as the weaknesses of the image, and has also identified specific ways in which it could be improved; the same photographer, reading the latter, will simply see it as a dismissal of his work. Our idea on this forum is (or should be) to encourage each member to give of his or her best. Thus constructive criticism is what is needed, not destructive.
** Phil.
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Constructive criticism is always positive. For example, "the photograph, while beautifully composed, lacks detail in the darker areas : it could have been significantly improved had the photographer made better use of the HDR technology that he has clearly employed". Compare this (which is positive)
See the bold Phil? That's implicit negativity - euphemistically wrapped up as 'constructive criticism'. Criticism is criticism.
I can't be bothered to discuss this to be honest Phil. Not that it isn't interesting, but even I draw the line at some things so far removed from curry.
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Constructive criticism is always positive. For example, "the photograph, while beautifully composed, lacks detail in the darker areas : it could have been significantly improved had the photographer made better use of the HDR technology that he has clearly employed". Compare this (which is positive)
See the bold Phil? That's implicit negativity - euphemistically wrapped up as 'constructive criticism'. Criticism is criticism.
No, absolute not : it is not "negativity" at all but "constructive criticism"; they as different as chalk and cheese. "I think the photo of your curry looks like dog's vomit" is pure negativity; "if I had been you, I would have tried to introduce additional warmth into the image so as to make it visually more attractive even if less real" is constructive criticism. Do you see the difference, Santa ?
** Phil.
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I am purposely staying away now from the 'banter' that surrounds Chris and his supposed book. It is a waste of time and yes I have already openly documented my distaste at the way he has gone about things but ............
................. The reason for this post is to question - is this section not exactly the right place for anybody to rant and rave and argue until they are blue in the face? ( keeping it civil of course ). Keep all the borrocks in 'talk about anything other than curry' where it belongs. If you want to read it, fine. If not, then don't. Simple.
I do not want to see the forum strangled by moderation, albeit I struggle to see why CA's expletives got to stay in and others have been modded out. The moderation however should ensure ( regularly ) that the aforementioned nonsense stays out of the proper curry related threads so that they remain informative and focused. This is not happening is it George? ( rhetorical ) and until it does threads will continue to get hijacked as they have been doing.
I am not voting. I don't care. If I want to watch his vids I will. If others want to watch them then let them and make their own minds up.
Back to cooking.
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Keep all the borrocks...
Thus simultaneously offending those capable of transposing a couple of letters and all the Chinese members! ;D ;D
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No, absolute not : it is not "negativity" at all but "constructive criticism"; they as different as chalk and cheese. "I think the photo of your curry looks like dog's vomit" is pure negativity; "if I had been you, I would have tried to introduce additional warmth into the image so as to make it visually more attractive even if less real" is constructive criticism.
So what you're really saying here is, don't say anything or express an opinion if you can't either be 1/ Nice, 2/ offer constructive advice on how to improve something.
That would in effect rule out such comments such as: 'I made that base to spec as the recipe intended, but the dishes I made from it I didn't like and lacked something I can't pinpoint nor suggest how it might be improved.'
I think you can see how that wouldn't work, particularly for newer forum members, you want to stifle discussion and opinion, why?
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Keep all the borrocks...
Thus simultaneously offending those capable of transposing a couple of letters and all the Chinese members! ;D ;D
Haha. I will let you have that one as it is not in the curry section. ;) perhaps I should have left it as bowlocks and similarly offended the odd eastern rower?
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No, absolute not : it is not "negativity" at all but "constructive criticism"; they as different as chalk and cheese. "I think the photo of your curry looks like dog's vomit" is pure negativity; "if I had been you, I would have tried to introduce additional warmth into the image so as to make it visually more attractive even if less real" is constructive criticism.
So what you're really saying here is, don't say anything or express an opinion if you can't either be 1/ Nice, 2/ offer constructive advice on how to improve something.
That would in effect rule out such comments such as: 'I made that base to spec as the recipe intended, but the dishes I made from it I didn't like and lacked something I can't pinpoint nor suggest how it might be improved.'
Spicey, can you really not see any difference between "I think the photo of your curry looks like dog's vomit" and 'I made that base to spec as the recipe intended, but the dishes I made from it I didn't like and lacked something I can't pinpoint nor suggest how it might be improved." ? If so, this might help to explain some of our former disagreements on this forum.
** Phil.
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If so, this might help to explain some of our former disagreements on this forum.
Don't belittle me please, because otherwise you really will see me get angry and that hasn't yet happened on this forum. It's not a pretty sight.
The difference between us Phil, is that as far as I'm concerned you want to stifle debate, discussion and opinion into sanitised over-moderated sterility.
There's a world of difference between someone being bluntly rude and offering opinion without necessarily being able to offer constructive advice.
You seem to think if you criticize, you have to so constructively, I believe you can criticize without being constructive but without being rude. Therein lies the difference.
That's what discussion, debate and opinions are all about and that's the difference between us.
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If so, this might help to explain some of our former disagreements on this forum.
Don't belittle me please, because otherwise you really will see me get angry and that hasn't yet happened on this forum. It's not a pretty sight.
If you wish to show yourself up in public, you are of course free to do so. Far from intimidating anybody, it will simply provide further evidence for those who would wish to see greater moderation on the forum.
** Phil.
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If you wish to show yourself up in public, you are of course free to do so.
Cautious there. I'm sure spiceyokooko meant it in a verbal way and far from physical violence.
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Cautious there. I'm sure spiceyokooko meant it in a verbal way and far from physical violence.
He knows exactly what I meant Goncalo.
In Phil's eyes it's perfectly acceptable for him to belittle my opinions but not okay for me to realise what he's doing and get annoyed about it.
Notice how Phil's stopped discussing the issues and is now doing what he professes to dislike - ad hominem-ing the person.
Typical Phil irony and puerility.
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Cautious there. I'm sure spiceyokooko meant it in a verbal way and far from physical violence.
No more from me on this topic, Goncalo : once any debate degenerates into an exchange between just two participants, it needs to be rapidly brought to a close before others get p1ss@d @ff. Spicey, please see signature in lieu of any further reply.
** Phil.
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If "Samsauceykitchen" had a part on here then I'm sure Chris's vids have got thier place..! ;D
http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php/topic,8420.msg74377.html#msg74377 (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php/topic,8420.msg74377.html#msg74377)
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No, absolute not : it is not "negativity" at all but "constructive criticism"; they as different as chalk and cheese. "I think the photo of your curry looks like dog's vomit" is pure negativity; "if I had been you, I would have tried to introduce additional warmth into t
Phil - was it you that first introduced the comment about dogs? If not, who did?
I hope Admin doesn't employ a new 'get tough' team of moderators. They'll have their work cut out. Take this thread, for example. When I saw the title, I guessed it spelled trouble. But what to do, if I was a strict moderator? Delete the entire thread to nip trouble in the bud, or spend ages trying to decide which posts to delete or modify? A nightmare.
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Please vote, it runs out in 10 days. I will stand by the outcome.
I feel the need to run this poll after some comments made by some members. I would like to know the bigger picture.
Thank you in advance.
Chris.
H4ppy
It won't matter if you post anymore curry related vids, because as soon as you post one on YouTube, somebody from this forum will post it or a link to it.
It's hard to imagine but the previous beginner with the curry secret, Julian from Curry2Gone, did something like 60 vids and didn't post a single one on here.
But like Mr.Voight, you target audience for sales of the book and videos is Youtube, not CR0, at a guess of active members here, initially you may get
30 to 50 sales through CR0 before the rot sets in and people start pulling it to bits.
But Chefs Sam and Team, look like they operate a good TakeAway kitchen, so IMHO more of his videos would be a good move. ;)
I can also see your logic in the "Even the wife can cook a curry" video, But I would imagine that
could have an negative effect on sales to the female population.
My 2 pence worth, Chewytikka
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George --
Phil - was it you that first introduced the comment about dogs? If not, who did?
I have no idea whether that particular analogy has ever been used here; it was just an example of a purely negative comment, by way of contrast with the later version that could have been inspired by the same image but which addressed its deficiencies in a positive and constructive way.
I hope Admin doesn't employ a new 'get tough' team of moderators. They'll have their work cut out. Take this thread, for example. When I saw the title, I guessed it spelled trouble. But what to do, if I was a strict moderator? Delete the entire thread to nip trouble in the bud, or spend ages trying to decide which posts to delete or modify? A nightmare.
IMHO, neither. Rather, step in as soon as the thread deteriorates and warn all concerned. Then take firm action if your warning fails to stop the rot.
** Phil.
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yes Chris please carry on posting your vids , and Phil as hit the nail on the head there are ways of saying things without having to turn to infantile nasty remarks
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Please vote, it runs out in 10 days. I will stand by the outcome.
I feel the need to run this poll after some comments made by some members. I would like to know the bigger picture.
Thank you in advance.
Chris.
H4ppy
It won't matter if you post anymore curry related vids, because as soon as you post one on YouTube, somebody from this forum will post it or a link to it.
It's hard to imagine but the previous beginner with the curry secret, Julian from Curry2Gone, did something like 60 vids and didn't post a single one on here.
But like Mr.Voight, you target audience for sales of the book and videos is Youtube, not CR0, at a guess of active members here, initially you may get
30 to 50 sales through CR0 before the rot sets in and people start pulling it to bits.
But Chefs Sam and Team, look like they operate a good TakeAway kitchen, so IMHO more of his videos would be a good move. ;)
I can also see your logic in the "Even the wife can cook a curry" video, But I would imagine that
could have an negative effect on sales to the female population.
My 2 pence worth, Chewytikka
Thank you Chewy, taken on board.
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hi happy chris
I want to buy your pdf and really can't wait
so HURRY UP please!!!!
But truth be told I have had a lot of time in takeaway/restaurant kitchens
I've been allowed to cook my own curry several times and they have turned out perfectly
So I know that my technique is fine
It's my home cooked ingredients that are wrong
ie the oil, the base and precooked veg/chicken
I'm hoping that's what your book will put right
In particular it's the restaurant oil that intrigues me
I've tried so hard to duplicate it but it's just not in the same class
The oil is in everything
Without it you are still not at restaurant quality
It contains the aroma and flavour
I've bought all the so called curry at home cook books and they all fail to 100% deliver
Even Julian's
Why his doesn't achieve it, is beyond me
He ran a takeaway, it should be right
I have only got the perfect BIR taste a couple of times, and that was when I got some manky old oil from a kebab shop and used it in my curry gravy
And man! you should have eaten those curries
As soon as you added the curry gravy to the pan you knew you had something special
There was just this totally different aroma
And the curries all had this second wave of flavour
Even cold they smelt right
But let's face it, getting old oil from an unknown source is a pretty stupid idea
I was probably lucky to not get food poisoning